[Mod-discuss] Re: Minor edits for -10

Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> Mon, 18 August 2025 06:10 UTC

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From: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
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Thanks, see https://github.com/larseggert/draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes/pull/149

> On Aug 18, 2025, at 01:55, Pete Resnick <resnick=40episteme.net@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> 
> I am quite satisfied with -10, including the text from PR 147. I think this resolves the difference between the two positions quite reasonably.
> Just two minor (though substantive) things I think we probably want to handle:
>     • In the first bullet of the goals list in 1.2 it says, "without regard to one's position or previous contributions", and in the last sentence of the section it says, "regardless of their position or past contributions". There are two ambiguities in there that I think leave open the possibility for confusion. I suggest replacing them, respectively, with "without regard to one's role in the ITEF or previous technical contributions" and "regardless of their role in the IETF or past technical contributions." That is, the word "position" refers to a leadership role or lack thereof, not a position taken on an issue, and the word "contributions" refers to technical contributions and not, for example, past contributions that consisted of uncivil behavior, which can certainly be taken into account when making judgements about moderations that may be needed.
>     • In section 4.1, it says that decisions "can be appealed to the IESG by anyone, per [RFC2026]" and "to the IAB as described in [RFC2026]". The reference to simply "[RFC2026]" is not quite specific enough. It could be that you mean "using the same procedures in section 6.5.2 and 6.5.4 of [RFC 2026]", but I think you need to be clear on this either way. People often get confused about whether 6.5.1 or 6.5.2 is the correct procedure for a given circumstance, or whether something else should be specified. I know in the case of RFC 7776 (Ombudsteam), we only specified using the procedures of 6.5.4 and otherwise specified everything in the RFC itself because it wasn't like other appeals processes.
> I am fine if these are simply taken as early WGLC comments and addressed after WGLC.
> pr
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