[Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-10 (Ends 2025-09-08)
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Subject: [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-10 (Ends 2025-09-08)
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On 29/08/2025 22:41, D. J. Bernstein wrote: > The core problem is tech companies colluding... I think you're mistaken there. ISTM the core reason for this WG is that standards of what's acceptable in discourse have changed over the decades. The sources of that include both corporate and not, e.g. I've heard directly from many NGO participants in the IETF that they dislike how we interact and would like better moderation. Now, I'm skeptical of a lot of that, but not all, and it's true we allow people to be disruptive and either do nothing much (as you noted) or have go ballistic and do a PR-action or similar. I see this WG's job as trying to (setup a team to) fix that. Separately, I'm also somewhat skeptical because part of the source of this stuff is corporate HR telling people how to behave. The 180 degree diversity handbrake turns we've seen from many of those makes me feel happy with that aspect of my skepticiam:-) Cheers, S.
- [Mod-discuss] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod-gro… Lisa Dusseault via Datatracker
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Tim Bray
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Salz, Rich
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Salz, Rich
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Jeffrey Haas
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Jeffrey Haas
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Tim Bray
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Broad consensus D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Broad consensus Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Broad consensus Watson Ladd
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Broad consensus Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Broad consensus Lisa Dusseault
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Broad consensus (and my WGLC co… Paul Wouters
- [Mod-discuss] Partiicipation in this WG Last Call… John C Klensin
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Bringing IETF in line with the ANSI… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein