[Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-10 (Ends 2025-09-08)
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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: "D. J. Bernstein" <djb@cr.yp.to>, "mod-discuss@ietf.org" <mod-discuss@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-10 (Ends 2025-09-08)
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* It's astonishing that a draft is in WG last call when the evidence that * supposedly motivates the draft hasn't been presented publicly to the WG. No it’s not. Almost everyone participating, either with the draft, or attending the DISPATCH or WG-charter discussions, have had first- or second-hand experience with the kinds of problems we are trying to address. It is out of human empathy for our past and present colleagues that we refuse to list specific examples. The sole exception is you, or you are acting in bad faith acting us to set up a straw man that you can nitpick and knock down. If we need to have the chairs issue a consensus call to prove that to you, they can do that.
- [Mod-discuss] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod-gro… Lisa Dusseault via Datatracker
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Tim Bray
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Salz, Rich
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Salz, Rich
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Jeffrey Haas
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Jeffrey Haas
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Tim Bray
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Broad consensus D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Broad consensus Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Broad consensus Watson Ladd
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Broad consensus Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Broad consensus Lisa Dusseault
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Broad consensus (and my WGLC co… Paul Wouters
- [Mod-discuss] Partiicipation in this WG Last Call… John C Klensin
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Bringing IETF in line with the ANSI… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Bringing IETF in line with the … Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-modpod… D. J. Bernstein