Re: [Model-t] [EXT] Re: Review of draft-thomson-tmi

Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> Wed, 08 December 2021 18:15 UTC

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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 13:14:48 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Model-t] [EXT] Re: Review of draft-thomson-tmi
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On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 8:20 AM Vittorio Bertola
<vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com> wrote:

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> No, device security is out of scope, but the choice of protocol architectures is directly influenced by whether you want to consider potential "endpoint intermediary" misbehaviour or not, which in turn will influence your take on whether hooks for other intermediaries in the conversation (in the network, as side services, however you want) are desirable or not. Yesterday someone was pointing out the work that the W3C is doing ( https://github.com/w3ctag/privacy-principles ), I still need to go through it but at first sight it looks like an interesting approach.

What's the difference between a coffeeshop, an ISP, and a corporate
network to an end device? If we make a protocol to prevent people
sending viruses over email, will it then stop them sending pictures of
Winnie the Pooh? Bytes are bytes after all.


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