Re: [MORG] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6154 (4422)

Jamie Nicolson <nicolson@google.com> Mon, 20 July 2015 20:47 UTC

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From: Jamie Nicolson <nicolson@google.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:46:50 -0700
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Subject: Re: [MORG] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC6154 (4422)
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[I'm not sure of the procedure for discussing errata, but here's my
thinking.]

Thanks for implementing the spec and providing feedback.

Certainly the spec is vague on the point of who creates special-use
folders. If the server supports CREATE-SPECIAL-USE (presumably that was the
case in your example), then either the server or client can create them. In
this case the client software could have seen that 1) the special-use
folders were missing but 2) the server supported CREATE-SPECIAL-USE, and
then decided to create the folders itself. There's nothing in the spec to
counterindicate this behavior--i.e. nothing that requires the server to
create the special use folders. What happened next--did the client create
new folders but not add the special-use attributes?

It seems to me that, even without this spec, someone (client or server)
would be creating these folders. With the spec, the same entity should
create the folders with the appropriate special-use tag, but first check to
see if a folder already exists with that tag and, if so, use it instead.
So, a client that needs to put Drafts somewhere should 1) look for an
existing folder with \Drafts and 2) if that doesn't exist, create one and
annotate it with \Drafts if the server supports CREATE-SPECIAL-USE.
Similarly, if the server does automatic junk mail classification and needs
a folder for junk mail, it should 1) look for an existing \Junk folder and
2) if it doesn't exist create one. (As a corollary, the server can create
any needed special-use folders at account initialization, since it knows
there will not yet be any existing folders.)

Anyway, this seems like a good topic for discussion, but is not (yet) a
clear error in the specification. Perhaps you should raise it on
imapext@ietf.org?



On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 12:25 AM, RFC Errata System <
rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org>; wrote:

> The following errata report has been submitted for RFC6154,
> "IMAP LIST Extension for Special-Use Mailboxes".
>
> --------------------------------------
> You may review the report below and at:
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=6154&eid=4422
>
> --------------------------------------
> Type: Technical
> Reported by: Chris Newman <chris.newman@oracle.com>;
>
> Section: GLOBAL
>
> Original Text
> -------------
> N/A
>
> Corrected Text
> --------------
> N/A
>
> Notes
> -----
> There is missing information in this RFC that resulted in interoperability
> problems when we performed an informal interop test of multiple
> implementations on 2015-07-19. This is assumed to be a "hold for document
> update" errata.
>
> There is no guidance in the document related to how special-use attributes
> are bootstrapped. Servers may pre-create them but there's no requirement to
> do so and clients may use the CREATE-SPECIAL-USE or METADATA extensions to
> bootstrap but there is no requirement to use those mechanisms if the server
> offers them. This resulted in a server implementation assuming the client
> would bootstrap these attributes and a client assuming the server would do
> so, thus interoperability failed.
>
> Given this experience, the fastest way to resolve this interop problem
> over time is for both client and server to take responsibility for
> bootstrapping special use mailboxes. This means if clients create a mailbox
> intended for special use (e.g., drafts, sent, junk, trash, etc), and the
> CREATE-SPECIAL-USE extension is offered, then clients need to provide the
> USE extension to improve interoperability.  Servers that are provisioned
> with an end-user's locale or language need to pre-create appropriate
> special-use mailboxes to improve interoperability of this extension. For
> existing accounts where the server is upgraded to support this feature, the
> server can look for mailboxes with names that imply special use and add the
> attribute to those mailboxes (especially if the server has locale/language
> awareness provisioned for users). Clients that implement a name-based
> search if special use attributes are not present and decide to use a
> mailbox for a special use based on its name can use the
>  METADATA extension, if offered, to label that mailbox appropriately.
>
> Instructions:
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> This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please
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> rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG)
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>
> --------------------------------------
> RFC6154 (draft-ietf-morg-list-specialuse-06)
> --------------------------------------
> Title               : IMAP LIST Extension for Special-Use Mailboxes
> Publication Date    : March 2011
> Author(s)           : B. Leiba, J. Nicolson
> Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
> Source              : Message Organization
> Area                : Applications
> Stream              : IETF
> Verifying Party     : IESG
>
>