Re: [mpls] Review of draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootstrap-clarify
Carlos Pignataro <cpignata@gmail.com> Mon, 05 February 2024 20:36 UTC
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Subject: Re: [mpls] Review of draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootstrap-clarify
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👍🏼 Carlos Pignataro reacted via Gmail <https://www.google.com/gmail/about/?utm_source=gmail-in-product&utm_medium=et&utm_campaign=emojireactionemail#app> On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 1:40 AM <xiao.min2@zte.com.cn> wrote: > The suggestion from Jeff and Carlos seems reasonable to me, although I was > not involved in the former mailing-list discussion. > > > Best Regards, > > Xiao Min > Original > *From: *CarlosPignataro <cpignata@gmail.com> > *To: *Jeff Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>; > *Cc: *mpls@ietf.org <mpls@ietf.org>;rtg-bfd@ietf. <rtg-bfd@ietf.org>; > *Date: *2024年02月05日 11:35 > *Subject: **Re: [mpls] Review of draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootstrap-clarify* > Thanks Jeff for refreshing the cache on those mailing-list comments. > I was part of that conversation, and frankly did not remember them — now I > do. And to put that in perspective, that was almost 6 **years** ago! > > I also missed the Errata, which was good. > And there’s also a couple other held for doc update: > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=5884 > > I will start with the last bit, borrowing from your text Jeff: Carlos is > also completely unaware of anyone experiencing any sort of confusion > covering RFC 5884 procedures other than Greg. > > And also, it’s a clarification that does not hurt. > > I do not feel norao impacts 5884, but at the same time bundling all the > updates on a RFC 5884-bis sounds like a most appropriate suggestion to me. > I’m happy to help if needed. > > And to that, I’d also bundle in the changes from RFC 7726. > > Thanks, > > Carlos. > > > On Feb 4, 2024, at 11:36 AM, Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> wrote: > > +bfd WG. > > Some original comments to Adrian were: > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/rtg-bfd/SYouXfNrVyKHErqacOuM2fICzMc/ > > Apparently, Greg didn't consider this worth holding his peace over. > > https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5085 was filed and accepted as a > clarification for RFC 5884 as part of a prior round of this discussion. > > LSP Ping is getting its norao update currently in MPLS. While it's my > opinion that the current set of changes to that document don't negatively > impact backward compatibility with RFC 5884, it's a normative enough change > that perhaps it's worth moving forward with the small updates to RFC 5884. > > In my opinion, the appropriate work is to take this to BFD for RFC > 5884-bis, which would be co-reviewed with MPLS. I believe we can get at > least one of the original authors to pick up that work. > > That said, the BFD chairs are completely unaware of anyone experiencing > any sort of confusion covering RFC 5884 procedures other than Greg. > > -- Jeff > > > > On Jan 24, 2024, at 2:55 PM, Carlos Pignataro <cpignata@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi! > > Review of draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootstrap-clarify > Version 05 > Type Getting Ready for WG Adoption > Team MPLS WG Review Team > Reviewer: Carlos Pignataro > > I have been asked to provide a ‘getting ready for WG adoption’ review of > this document, on behalf of the MPLS WG review team. > > There are generally two relevant questions at this stage: > > 1. knowing whether the document is in scope for the working group, and > 2. knowing whether the document is ready to be considered for WG adoption > > My perspective is that: > > 1. Maybe - RFC 4884, the RFC that this document would update if approved, > was progressed as draft-ietf-bfd-mpls in the bfd wg. As such, I wonder if > that ought to be followed here. From a practical standpoint, both WGs (mpls > and bfd) would have to review this document, but it is a chair decision and > guidance whether this should live in mpls or bfd (and frankly I have no > strong position either way so long as both WGs are in the loop, simply > pointing historic datapoints.) The document is clearly in scope on the > intersection of both WGs, and historically was in bfd. > > 2. Yes – this document addresses clear clarifications for implementation > interoperability. Granted, this protocol is deployed without these > clarifications, but are (at least) theoretical gaps. > > A couple of further comments, since I read the document. Overall, well > written and clear, achieves its goal, and: > > a. Backwards compatibility is paramount, and neither of those two words > appear in the document. I recommend a section detailing implications. > > b. Section 5, IPv6, seems like an after-though, since it is not mentioned > in the Abstract. Further, that case and explanation is well covered in RFC > 8029, and as such seems like a distraction. > > c. There are various nits and an editorial pass would help with clarity. > These include things like unqualified “echo reply” uses. > > Thanks, > > Carlos Pignataro > > _______________________________________________ > mpls mailing list > mpls@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls > > > > >
- [mpls] Review of draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootstrap-… Carlos Pignataro
- Re: [mpls] Review of draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootst… Jeffrey Haas
- Re: [mpls] Review of draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootst… Carlos Pignataro
- Re: [mpls] Review of draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootst… xiao.min2
- Re: [mpls] Review of draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootst… Carlos Pignataro
- Re: [mpls] Review of draft-mirsky-mpls-bfd-bootst… Adrian Farrel