Re: [mpls] Review of draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-registries-update-01

Adrian Farrel <adrian@olddog.co.uk> Fri, 17 April 2020 11:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: [mpls] Review of draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-registries-update-01
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Thanks Loa, the update is a considerable improvement and addresses many of my review comments. There will be a further pass needed to fix the Swenglish, but we can wait until we have addressed the remaining two big open issues.

> SHOULD
[snip]
> The suggested text for this is:
>
>    An implementation that does not understand or support a received
>    TLV or sub-TLV with Type greater than or equal to 32768 (i.e., with
>    the high-order bit equal to 1) SHOULD ignore and step over the TLV
>    or sub-TLV, however an implementation MAY send an echo response
>    with Return Code 2 ("One or more of the TLVs was not understood")
>    as it would have doen if the high order bit had been clear.
>
> The text should be added to section 4.1.

I see you have already done this.

> This needs to be discussed, the alternative would be to the
> SHOULD to a must.

I like the formulation you have, and I think that a change to "MUST" would be more difficult because it would need a survey of existing implementations to see whether anyone has deviated from the "SHOULD".

> Experimental and Private Use
>
> We also have an open discussion on the code point ranges for
> Experimental and Private Use.
>
> When the discussion matures a bit I will discuss with my co-chairs on
> a consensus call on Experimental and Private use.

I don't have much to add to this discussion having already stated my opinion. I don't want to just keep saying the same thing as that doesn't really advance the discussion.

I would like to hear from all of the co-authors as (presumably) they have an opinion about what the document currently contains.

Tom made his view very clear. I don't agree with his view about the principal usage of Experimental codepoints, but I do agree that he has identified a use case.
I think that the distinction of "use on the open Internet" is of limited value in choosing between Experimental and Private Use because in both cases precautions have to be taken to ensure that two distinct implementations don't clash when using a codepoint. Both ranges are safe when used in private networks, but if either is used on the open Internet then some coordination or other mechanism is needed to protect implementations. Often this is handled with a special coding (a signature) behind the codepoint if there is a perceived risk.

I would, of course, also like to know if anyone is using any of the Private Use ranges for anything?

Best,
Adrian