Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) forward
Sean Turner <turners@ieca.com> Mon, 30 September 2013 16:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) forward
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IEC is usually paired with ISO ;) There's the rub right - I read it and was like sure I take your word Brian. I think that you could treat it kind of like a secdir review and that would be sufficient for me. spt On 9/30/13 11:52 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: > I could, I guess. > > Does it matter if prior to reading it I have never heard of IEC 62351-9 in particular, or IEC in general? > > Yoav > > On Sep 30, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Sean Turner <turners@ieca.com> wrote: > >> For the record Brian has approached me about AD-sponsoring draft-weis-gdoi-iec62351-9-02. I don't think it's actually an update of 6407 it's more of here's how IEC 62351 would use RFC 6407. >> >> After talking with Brian in Berlin, I have but one dilemma AD-sponsoring such a draft is that it is intended for proposed standard and as best I can tell there's been one review (thanks Steffan). Knowing that the msec community in the IETF is pretty small this might be a tall order, but is there anybody else out there will to give it a review? (cough, hint) Yoav, Vincent :) >> >> spt >> >> On 9/27/13 4:01 PM, William Atwood wrote: >>> Actually, he is probably referring to the "6407 update draft", which is >>> draft-weis-gdoi-iec62351-9-02. This is an update to 6407 precisely to >>> serve the IEC needs. I suspect that the email is a plea for fast action >>> on progressing draft-weis to RFC. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> On 27/09/2013 1:18 PM, Yoav Nir wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> Just to be clear, there is no such thing as a "draft RFC". Drafts >>>> become RFCs, at which point they're done. You may be referring to the >>>> fact that RFC 6407 is labeled "proposed standard". This is a label >>>> that the IETF attaches to documents for which there is relatively >>>> little implementation experience. The label is not automatically >>>> changed after a while. Even things that are widely implemented and >>>> used by millions such as IKEv2 (RFC 5996), IPsec (RFC 4301), TLS (RFC >>>> 5246), and HTTP (RFC 2616), without a doubt the most popular protocol >>>> on the Internet) is at "draft standard" - a classification that does >>>> not exist any more, but was below "full standard". >>>> >>>> I'm adding Sean Turner, the Security Area Director, because he's been >>>> handling many similar requests recently. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps >>>> >>>> Yoav >>>> >>>> On Sep 27, 2013, at 5:15 AM, Herb Falk <herb@sisconet.com >>>> <mailto:herb@sisconet.com>> <Herb@sisconet.com >>>> <mailto:Herb@sisconet.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> IEC TC57 WG10 (61850) and IEC TC57 WG15 (Security) has been >>>>> developing a technology/standard for use as a secure multicast for >>>>> its use in power grid applications using synchrophasors and other >>>>> technologies relevant to smartgrid deployments globally. >>>>> As part of the effort, some extensions to GDOI were identified. The >>>>> 6407 draft incorporates and improves some of the enhancements already >>>>> identified. IEC TC57 WG15 is waiting for the draft RFC to transition >>>>> to an RFC so it can be referenced as a normative standard in IEC 62351-9. >>>>> There are several utility vendors and utilities, in particular SCE >>>>> (Southern California Edison), that are awaiting this transition so >>>>> that their cyber security frameworks can be updated. Delays in the >>>>> transition from draft to RFC will delay implementation of several >>>>> projects and implementations. >>>>> Herbert Falk >>>>> Solutions Architect >>>>> SISCO, INC. >>>>> 6605 19 ½ Mile Rd. >>>>> Sterling Heights, MI 48314 >>>>> (586) 254-0020 x-105 >>>>> <image001.png> >>>>> "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of >>>>> principle, stand like a rock." [Thomas Jefferson] >>>>> NOTICE: This communication may contain privileged or other >>>>> confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or >>>>> believe that you have received this communication in error, please do >>>>> not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the >>>>> information. Also, please indicate to the sender that you have >>>>> received this communication in error, and delete the copy you >>>>> received. Thank you. >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> MSEC mailing list >>>>> MSEC@ietf.org <mailto:MSEC@ietf.org> >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> MSEC mailing list >>>> MSEC@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/msec >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. J.W. Atwood, Eng. tel: +1 (514) 848-2424 x3046 >>> Distinguished Professor Emeritus fax: +1 (514) 848-2830 >>> Department of Computer Science >>> and Software Engineering >>> Concordia University EV 3.185email:william.atwood@concordia.ca >>> 1455 de Maisonneuve Blvd. Westhttp://users.encs.concordia.ca/~bill >>> Montreal, Quebec Canada H3G 1M8 >>> >> >> Email secured by Check Point > >
- [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) forw… Herb Falk <herb@sisconet.com>
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Yoav Nir
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … William Atwood
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Paul Lambert
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Sean Turner
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Yoav Nir
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Sean Turner
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Yoav Nir
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Sean Turner
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Brian Weis
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Brian Weis
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Paul Lambert
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Brian Weis
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Paul Lambert
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Brian Weis
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Paul Lambert
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Yoav Nir
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Sean Turner
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Yoav Nir
- Re: [MSEC] Key Management protocol (GDOI - 6407) … Herb Falk <herb@sisconet.com>