Re: [multipathtcp] Multipath deployment and fate sharing
Joe Touch <touch@ISI.EDU> Mon, 14 December 2009 17:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: [multipathtcp] Multipath deployment and fate sharing
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Laganier, Julien wrote: > Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: >> On 14 dec 2009, at 17:38, Laganier, Julien wrote: >>> With IPv4 of course the situation would be different due to the IPv4 >>> address space exhaustion, presence of NATs, and DHCP allocation with >>> short term leases. So in IPv4 we can't rule out situation #2, and thus >>> we want to make fate sharing the default IPv4. >> I don't see that. With NAT you don't know who you're going to encounter >> behind a given address, anyway. > > This is a valid point. > >Thus it seems that whether or not MPTCP implements fate sharing, a host > can never be sure who's really behind a given IPv4 address. Essentially > the address semantic is broken end-to-end. > > For purely local matters, fate-sharing can be used to maintain some > applications' expectations regarding the relationship between local > addresses and the transport connections that are bound on them. Apps have those expectations - local or remote. That's why some apps break when they go through NATs. Let's not compound that situation with by assuming fate sharing can be ignored. Joe -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAksmec8ACgkQE5f5cImnZrudZACgun8pMImwMSJ7TlmRrQBSnWP7 AuAAoJctRza7cW2sriaHz/jrRWix8erc =gZUU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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- Re: [multipathtcp] Multipath deployment and fate … Joe Touch
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