Re: [ncrg] Meeting Notes from Today's NCRG Call
"Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com> Tue, 14 May 2013 17:02 UTC
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From: "Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)" <cpignata@cisco.com>
To: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com>
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Cc: "ncrg@irtf.org" <ncrg@irtf.org>, "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" <mbehring@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [ncrg] Meeting Notes from Today's NCRG Call
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On May 14, 2013, at 12:44 PM, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" <aretana@cisco.com> wrote: > On 5/14/13 11:29 AM, "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" <mbehring@cisco.com> > wrote: > > Hi! > >> Attendees: Sheng Jiang, Xin Sun, Rana Sircar, Vladimir Marbukh, Michael >> Behringer (notes) > > Sorry I couldn't make the call..too many meetings. :-( Same here... > >> Subject: Evolving the NCRG framework draft >> >> Brief notes: >> - Suggestion to include metrics and tradeoffs in the framework draft; >> this was presented in Paris. If the framework includes all the forms, then including all tradeoffs and metrics of all forms in a single document will be a bit challenging, I suspect. The multitude of details will also deter from a simple framework. >> - draft-retana suggest more metrics, and trade-offs, these should also be >> in the framework draft. >> .. >> - Include text to describe the various forms (?) of complexity >> + Operational complexity >> deployment complexity; configuration complexity, trouble shooting >> + Network system complexity >> s/w complexity; h/w complexity; Protocol / algortihm complexity >> + Management system complexity >> OSS systems, etc. > It seems there might be some overlaps and gaps on these various forms. > > Our draft (draft-retana-network-complexity-framework) shows tradeoffs > (which may result in potential metrics) related to network design. > > I agree that the framework should describe different types of > complexity..network design complexity being one of them. My only concern > with including all forms of complexity, their description, metrics, > tradeoffs, etc. in one document is simply scope creep: we'll try to cover > too much and never finish. The topic is already complex enough (pun > intended)! > > IMHO, I would prefer the main framework document to briefly describe the > different forms (operational, design, etc.)..but then to have standalone > documents that supplement it by going deeper into a specific form and > describing the tradeoffs and maybe potential metrics. > I agree with this proposal. I believe that the framework should provide the taxonomy, relationships, and definitions. But not the details and metrics. Companion documents could cover that. Thanks, -- Carlos. > My 2c. > > Alvaro. > > _______________________________________________ > ncrg mailing list > ncrg@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/ncrg >
- [ncrg] Meeting Notes from Today's NCRG Call Michael Behringer (mbehring)
- Re: [ncrg] Meeting Notes from Today's NCRG Call David Meyer
- Re: [ncrg] Meeting Notes from Today's NCRG Call Alvaro Retana (aretana)
- Re: [ncrg] Meeting Notes from Today's NCRG Call Carlos Pignataro (cpignata)
- Re: [ncrg] Meeting Notes from Today's NCRG Call Michael Behringer (mbehring)
- Re: [ncrg] Meeting Notes from Today's NCRG Call David Meyer
- Re: [ncrg] Meeting Notes from Today's NCRG Call Sheng Jiang
- Re: [ncrg] Meeting Notes from Today's NCRG Call Xin Sun
- Re: [ncrg] Meeting Notes from Today's NCRG Call Luca Caviglione