Re: [Netconf] operational state (WAS: New WGLC for a proposed new WG Charter ...)
"Bert Wijnen (IETF)" <bertietf@bwijnen.net> Fri, 31 August 2012 14:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Netconf] operational state (WAS: New WGLC for a proposed new WG Charter ...)
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Exactly On 8/31/12 4:13 PM, Ladislav Lhotka wrote: >> > >> >I have always read RFC3535 as wanting >> >- how to get a new box from the manufacturer operational >> >- how to get a failing box working again by a variety of means >> >and the netmod/conf view of configuration has focussed on the first >> >which, while >> >important, is not the whole story; and now we are starting to look at >> >the whole story. >> >Well, except that we are not, because it has been ruled out of scope pro >> >tem:-( > Do you mean it has been ruled out of scope because Bert didn't accept my > fourth charter item? It is not how I see it - in fact, I believe there > is now a general consensus that the "whole story" has to be addressed. > The only problem is that nobody has proposed anything concrete so far, > and Bert rightly demanded that such proposal(s) be first submitted as > individual drafts. > > Lada > Exactly! Bert
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Martin Bjorklund
- [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Charter … Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Tina TSOU
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Phil Shafer
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Alexander Clemm (alex)
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Xiang Li
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Xiang Li
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Andy Bierman
- [Netconf] Operational (or other non config) state… Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Martin Bjorklund
- [Netconf] Operational state (Was: New WGLC for a … Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Operational state (Was: New WGLC fo… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Operational state (Was: New WGLC fo… Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Phil Shafer
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Kent Watsen
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Phil Shafer
- [Netconf] Transience, persistence, configuration … Randy Presuhn
- Re: [Netconf] Transience, persistence, configurat… Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Transience, persistence, configurat… Jan Lindblad
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Patrick Gili (pgili)
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] operational state (WAS: New WGLC fo… Ladislav Lhotka
- [Netconf] REminder: deadline Aug 31st: New WGLC f… Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [Netconf] REminder: deadline Aug 31st: New WG… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [Netconf] REminder: deadline Aug 31st: New WG… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] REminder: deadline Aug 31st: New WG… Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [Netconf] REminder: deadline Aug 31st: New WG… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [Netconf] REminder: deadline Aug 31st: New WG… Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] REminder: deadline Aug 31st: New WG… Xiang Li
- Re: [Netconf] REminder: deadline Aug 31st: New WG… Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [Netconf] REminder: deadline Aug 31st: New WG… Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] operational state (WAS: New WGLC fo… t.petch
- Re: [Netconf] operational state (WAS: New WGLC fo… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] operational state (WAS: New WGLC fo… Bert Wijnen (IETF)
- Re: [Netconf] New WGLC for a proposed new WG Char… Benoit Claise
- [Netconf] Operational State: Re: New WGLC for a p… Benoit Claise
- Re: [Netconf] Operational State: Re: New WGLC for… Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Operational State: Re: New WGLC for… Patrick Gili (pgili)
- Re: [Netconf] Operational State: Re: New WGLC for… Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
- Re: [Netconf] Operational State: Re: New WGLC for… Alexander Clemm (alex)
- Re: [Netconf] Operational State: Re: New WGLC for… Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Operational State: Re: New WGLC for… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [Netconf] Operational State: Re: New WGLC for… Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [Netconf] Operational State: Re: New WGLC for… Andy Bierman
- Re: [Netconf] Operational State: Re: New WGLC for… Ladislav Lhotka