Re: [netmod] VRFY :Y34: remove/deprecate/replace the 'anyxml' statement

Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Wed, 21 January 2015 10:21 UTC

Return-Path: <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615BB1A1A03 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 02:21:50 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.66
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.66 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a5PenrnnfQt0 for <netmod@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 02:21:49 -0800 (PST)
Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D1711A1A02 for <netmod@ietf.org>; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 02:21:49 -0800 (PST)
Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 206B2E57; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 11:21:48 +0100 (CET)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de
Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id p9VbIQWKjx5y; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 11:21:33 +0100 (CET)
Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 11:21:47 +0100 (CET)
Received: from localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.49]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0255C20034; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 11:21:47 +0100 (CET)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de
Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius4.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FkTLvndA4wbG; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 11:21:45 +0100 (CET)
Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547C22002F; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 11:21:45 +0100 (CET)
Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 3A49F30DF6B3; Wed, 21 Jan 2015 11:21:44 +0100 (CET)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 11:21:44 +0100
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
To: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>
Message-ID: <20150121102144.GE32055@elstar.local>
Mail-Followup-To: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>, netmod@ietf.org
References: <20150107145943.GE13482@elstar.local> <20150108.103728.1499085884469962335.mbj@tail-f.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Disposition: inline
In-Reply-To: <20150108.103728.1499085884469962335.mbj@tail-f.com>
User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i
Archived-At: <http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/-KHItL27UDOUr7dApNb5mrVhuH8>
Cc: netmod@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [netmod] VRFY :Y34: remove/deprecate/replace the 'anyxml' statement
X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/netmod/>
List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:21:50 -0000

On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 10:37:28AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
> > The 2014-12-03 virtual interim meeting proposal is to adopt Y34-04.
> 
> I don't think Y34-04 is sufficient.  If I understand Y34-04 (add
> 'root) correctly, the difference between it and Y34-02 (add 'anydata')
> is that 'root' is a special case of 'anydata'; i.e., 'root' behaves as
> 'anydata' with the constraint that it only can hande top-level nodes.
> 
> As an example of why this is not sufficient, YANG PATCH uses anyxml
> with non-top-level nodes.  It would not be possible to use 'root' in
> this case.  'anydata' would be a better match.
>

Andy,

can you please respond to this since you created Y34-04? I now hear
two people in favour of Y34-02 and we had this back in July 2014:

   2014-07-21 meeting proposal and action: adopt Y34-02, AB to work out
   a concrete proposal.

So is the main delta of Y34-04 compared to Y34-02 (i) the additional
text (the three list items) or (ii) additional restrictions of "root"
to top-level nodes. (The Y34-04 referes to ncx:root which is not known
to everybody.)

Would adoption of Y34-02 with the additional text (the three list
items) of Y34-04 be a workable solution?

/js

-- 
Juergen Schoenwaelder           Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH
Phone: +49 421 200 3587         Campus Ring 1, 28759 Bremen, Germany
Fax:   +49 421 200 3103         <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>