Re: [netmod] VRFY :Y34: remove/deprecate/replace the 'anyxml' statement

Andy Bierman <andy@yumaworks.com> Wed, 21 January 2015 15:05 UTC

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Subject: Re: [netmod] VRFY :Y34: remove/deprecate/replace the 'anyxml' statement
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:21 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder
<j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 10:37:28AM +0100, Martin Bjorklund wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:
>> > The 2014-12-03 virtual interim meeting proposal is to adopt Y34-04.
>>
>> I don't think Y34-04 is sufficient.  If I understand Y34-04 (add
>> 'root) correctly, the difference between it and Y34-02 (add 'anydata')
>> is that 'root' is a special case of 'anydata'; i.e., 'root' behaves as
>> 'anydata' with the constraint that it only can hande top-level nodes.
>>
>> As an example of why this is not sufficient, YANG PATCH uses anyxml
>> with non-top-level nodes.  It would not be possible to use 'root' in
>> this case.  'anydata' would be a better match.
>>
>
> Andy,
>
> can you please respond to this since you created Y34-04? I now hear
> two people in favour of Y34-02 and we had this back in July 2014:
>
>    2014-07-21 meeting proposal and action: adopt Y34-02, AB to work out
>    a concrete proposal.
>
> So is the main delta of Y34-04 compared to Y34-02 (i) the additional
> text (the three list items) or (ii) additional restrictions of "root"
> to top-level nodes. (The Y34-04 referes to ncx:root which is not known
> to everybody.)
>


There are corner cases like YANG Patch edit value that need to be
anyxml.

> Would adoption of Y34-02 with the additional text (the three list
> items) of Y34-04 be a workable solution?
>

yes


> /js
>

Andy

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