Re: [netmod] Opstate solutions discussions: update and request for WGinput

Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net> Mon, 27 June 2016 14:48 UTC

Return-Path: <kwatsen@juniper.net>
X-Original-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: netmod@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB35712D78E; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:48:17 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.902
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=junipernetworks.onmicrosoft.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BQBwTL4yZdHe; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:48:15 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2on0111.outbound.protection.outlook.com [65.55.169.111]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A76B12D621; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 07:44:55 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=junipernetworks.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-juniper-net; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version; bh=yQcHZ9trWDMMKdKfmar4yYJxYmlh19Mi/c1gGi5VTkU=; b=PkHnNk91/b/SVnCnGK/BXXcvZXGUYV7rvqfJTMMvK3byAKJzU71X4lQUj+hRmeFlITsJc27ZPiGnjsSQCTj5NT4nlYvt/+xOBbtR/iJfMXIcd7RSakhCr/nZPWIRbRIL2Eh/pAhzcoOkNXvm50SkBiQ9dRWK3y5AgbBrzZWnTi0=
Received: from CY1PR0501MB1450.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.160.149.11) by CY1PR0501MB1449.namprd05.prod.outlook.com (10.160.148.155) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.528.16; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:44:52 +0000
Received: from CY1PR0501MB1450.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([10.160.149.11]) by CY1PR0501MB1450.namprd05.prod.outlook.com ([10.160.149.11]) with mapi id 15.01.0528.017; Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:44:52 +0000
From: Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>
To: "Kiran Koushik Agrahara Sreenivasa (kkoushik)" <kkoushik@cisco.com>, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
Thread-Topic: [netmod] Opstate solutions discussions: update and request for WGinput
Thread-Index: AQHRyKtriAUTbkyKIUqPd3s4x2EFBZ/t+QmAgAADJwCAAACqgIAPM6yA
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:44:52 +0000
Message-ID: <A3DA5DFE-5EBC-49C6-959F-EB01C826AE56@juniper.net>
References: <63b1dc74-c60c-351d-8d6d-38c860a6476e@labn.net> <008701d1c8ab$211bfc20$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <a9502fb2-2541-3d19-1625-9f1da0560758@labn.net> <CABCOCHSjSWZRVaWEfhCngdinQ4Tav3d6v_T=xxwMrduphZ3KOw@mail.gmail.com> <D389AD13.1CDBF%kkoushik@cisco.com>
In-Reply-To: <D389AD13.1CDBF%kkoushik@cisco.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.17.0.160611
authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=kwatsen@juniper.net;
x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1
x-originating-ip: [66.129.241.13]
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 94dc474e-6edf-407c-6ca6-08d39e999930
x-microsoft-exchange-diagnostics: 1; CY1PR0501MB1449; 6:zzDqLCFramYWQmdlrrNBuoWSbmrg78ctQP30I0aZHLRzcoJID6f3tbr5wuPRZU00SkvPLArZD7UwiW3qN0I/1nZp9jom2PD2TsqODIsT7pKljkr1ukpV+WugWqVjNn3WZuqtwS75jHimtnzHOywFSzX0qbuStbtH+w8aozxrT93ux5cXfsjyknPvhEjr6IO91TG0PMSqS38BWeLmVkJizWdGacQYOhkDxacKofB8+KzwfeYqN0C+zAJZgdOeq5UPES/3C9dfF7+dI2xxfr7O6zGuWzVesbFjtcb+uCoCRHS98tKil2E8BEXn38NHOlLGQ2DdSy96p35Md6VDKKBjxg==; 5:lfXqlnjFA045d6f0nCfSdmxvIxJRfq40tAaTNvppzFNzviFkJoWRZO5qJ6K8vBCVkZ2LFb2r9AogyTWhVCGynCQaYJIC1rqPAb0/vEdJuCq4xn24LoPVrHr0uZkf6NkSTd1C6a++RHQ8ZdOgFi/J5A==; 24:SwB0tjfp7fJCN/amMn/aDc2xFCGQ8JV0BuWWrmDcu5nkyYPEkFVCmmpAVhdqTBDSRpegl45sxSt66LSIKjCYJoN2uyYfLOsK3zmuQo1PJ6M=; 7:3Ygiao/5LHnGkHPtMCFG4i3CxGLtGL1QM/iCZF25T/FvHSceA2IXzHW4NBg8WKvu+TuJNABnzQUvCTCD/9sctkDq4lfGYqTKkOqLG6vRO2LyLtTdiE/w6q/gsGtB6LcdVwWVAiW5T2y6AS2JanCHpwe+Hci2d36lZfPc7tO2sjW1dN+MaXILKu6Cr+larZkzG+WsuIWGl+ox4LQFGA4kn+4tW+5lVy1WAEoL81RmyTR52yt1fWd98Bs2R007B1YD
x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:CY1PR0501MB1449;
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <CY1PR0501MB144927DF69339AA07059CFCCA5210@CY1PR0501MB1449.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:(189930954265078)(138986009662008)(95692535739014)(21748063052155);
x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(2401047)(8121501046)(5005006)(10201501046)(3002001)(6055026); SRVR:CY1PR0501MB1449; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:CY1PR0501MB1449;
x-forefront-prvs: 09860C2161
x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(7916002)(189002)(377454003)(199003)(53754006)(19300405004)(122556002)(83716003)(5002640100001)(16236675004)(93886004)(8936002)(7736002)(68736007)(2906002)(7846002)(19580395003)(10710500007)(19580405001)(99286002)(10400500002)(19617315012)(7110500001)(86362001)(54356999)(50986999)(19625215002)(11100500001)(106116001)(87936001)(561944003)(106356001)(66066001)(15650500001)(105586002)(97736004)(4001350100001)(3660700001)(3280700002)(102836003)(6116002)(3846002)(2420400007)(33656002)(7906003)(8676002)(4326007)(92566002)(77096005)(586003)(101416001)(82746002)(189998001)(36756003)(15975445007)(76176999)(2950100001)(2900100001)(5001770100001)(83506001)(81156014)(81166006)(104396002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:CY1PR0501MB1449; H:CY1PR0501MB1450.namprd05.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en;
received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: juniper.net does not designate permitted sender hosts)
spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99
spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_A3DA5DFE5EBC49C6959FEB01C826AE56junipernet_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: juniper.net
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 27 Jun 2016 14:44:52.6013 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: bea78b3c-4cdb-4130-854a-1d193232e5f4
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY1PR0501MB1449
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/netmod/00yU6mBf5Q8rjbTNHmSadcc6Hqc>
Cc: "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>, netmod WG <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [netmod] Opstate solutions discussions: update and request for WGinput
X-BeenThere: netmod@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17
Precedence: list
List-Id: NETMOD WG list <netmod.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/netmod/>
List-Post: <mailto:netmod@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod>, <mailto:netmod-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 14:48:19 -0000

[as a contributor]

I’m for ‘B’ as well, in case it wasn’t obvious from [2]  (Lou’s ref below).

Kent


From: "Kiran Koushik Agrahara Sreenivasa (kkoushik)" <kkoushik@cisco.com>
Date: Friday, June 17, 2016 at 2:36 PM
To: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
Cc: "netmod-chairs@ietf.org" <netmod-chairs@ietf.org>, "netmod@ietf.org" <netmod@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [netmod] Opstate solutions discussions: update and request for WGinput
Resent-From: <alias-bounces@ietf.org>
Resent-To: <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>, <lberger@labn.net>, Kent Watsen <kwatsen@juniper.net>, <mishra.ashesh@outlook.com>
Resent-Date: Friday, June 17, 2016 at 2:36 PM

Hi All
I’d like to support Option B below.
>>     B) no explicit support is required for models to support
>>        applied configuration -- and that the WG needs to
>>        formalize an opstate solution based on the approach
>>        discussed in [4] and [5].

Thanks
Kiran


>> All,
>>
>> We want to provide an update based on the off line discussions
>> related to OpState Solutions that we have been having and solicit
>> input from the WG.
>>
>> All authors of current solution drafts [1,2,3] together with those
>> who helped conduct the solutions analysis* were invited to the these
>> discussions -- with the objective of coming up with a single
>> consolidated proposal to bring to the WG. (I/Lou acted as facilitator
>> as Kent and Juergen were and are involved with the technical details.)
>>
>> The discussions have yielded some results but, unfortunately,
>> not a single consolidated proposal as hoped, but rather two
>> alternate directions -- and clearly we need to choose one:
>>
>>     1) Adopt the conventions for representing state/config
>>        based on Section 6 of [1].
>>
>>        From a model definition perspective, these conventions
>>        impact every model and every model writer.
>>
>>     2) Model OpState using a revised logical datastore definition
>>        as introduced in [4] and also covered in [5]. There is
>>        also a variant of this that we believe doesn't significantly
>>        impact this choice.
>>
>>        With this approach, model definitions need no explicit
>>        changes to support applied configuration.
>>
>> >From a technology/WG standpoint, we believe an approach
>> that doesn't impact every model written (i.e., #2) is superior.
>> The counterpoint to this is that the conventions based
>> approach (i.e., #1) is available today and being followed in
>> OpenConfig defined models.
>>
>> We would like to hear opinions on this from the WG before
>> declaring one of the following as the WG direction:
>>
>>     A) models that wish to support applied configuration MUST
>>        follow conventions based on [1] -- and the WG needs to
>>        formalize these conventions.
>> or
>>     B) no explicit support is required for models to support
>>        applied configuration -- and that the WG needs to
>>        formalize an opstate solution based on the approach
>>        discussed in [4] and [5].
>>
>> We intend to close on this choice before Berlin.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Lou (and co-chairs)
>>
>> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-openconfig-netmod-opstate-01
>> [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kwatsen-netmod-opstate-02
>> [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilton-netmod-opstate-yang-02
>> [4]
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schoenw-netmod-revised-datastores-00
>> [5]
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wilton-netmod-refined-datastores-00
>> * - Chris H. and Acee L.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> netmod mailing list
>> netmod@ietf.org<mailto:netmod@ietf.org>
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
>


_______________________________________________
netmod mailing list
netmod@ietf.org<mailto:netmod@ietf.org>
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod