Re: [netmod] Next steps for draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis

[Kent Watsen <[e-mail]>]

Hi Jan,

> On Feb 28, 2024, at 9:21 AM, Jan Lindblad <[e-mail]> wrote:
> 
> Med, author team,
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to get this work done, and well done! This is one of those fundamental bricks that saves time and improves quality for the entire YANG community.
> 
> I read the -09 version and like what I see. I have a couple of minor suggestions you might consider.
> 
> + In section 3.4 about tree diagrams, the section text is already advocating intermixing smaller tree snippets with explanations (which is great), but I wish we could say that 
> tree diagrams of entire modules SHOULD NOT be included. Just a waste of forest and attention span, imho.

The client-server suite of drafts takes this idea a step further, by many times using unexpanded tree-diagrams, along with associated hyperlinks to where the grouping was defined.  

For instance: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-netconf-tls-client-server#section-4.1.2.1


> + In section 4.2 about choice of prefixes, it is said that "Prefix values SHOULD be short but are also likely to be unique." I used to say the same thing. In recent years, however, I have started to stress the importance of uniqueness much more. I'd say something like "Prefix values SHOULD be selected carefully to be unique, and ideally not too long." The reason for my change is I have met several engineers who have been deeply confused (to the point of costing real money) when the same prefix has shown up in multiple places. It's just an unnecessary part of the learning curve associated with YANG.
> 
> In fact, I have started to recommend people to set the prefix to equal the module name. This also solves another problem, which is that the "prefixes" you see in RESTCONF are module names, and the confusion of what to use where is sometimes suffocating. I understand if many think I'm going overboard here, but when we pretend that modules don't have prefixes, only module names, there is a lot less friction in learning the ropes.

In my private modules, I’ve taken to setting the prefix to be the same as the module name.

The clarity is great, and I don’t see an issue with the verbosity.  Something to consider?


Kent


> + In section 4.6.2 regarding useless (in YANG Context) functions in the XPath function library, it is said that the "YANG compiler" should return false, etc. Better wording might be that the XPath execution environment (or something) should return false, etc. The YANG compiler is not even running when the calls to those functions are happening.
> 
> + In section 4.11.5 regarding booleans, it is said that booleans can take values true and false. This is true in mathematics :-) but in YANG a boolean leaf can additionally take the "value" of "not set". Actually, "not set" is a possibility for leafs in general, unless it is declared mandatory true, or has a default. In my experience, one of the most common YANG modeling issues is when people model a leaf foo, which isn't mandatory, has no default and the description statement does not say what happens if the leaf is not set. In many cases, there is a sort of natural meaning, but with booleans leafs in particular, the absence of the leaf is typically highly ambiguous. I think this hole merits a recommendation clause in the I-D.
> 
> Best Regards,
> /jan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 Feb 2024, at 10:51, [e-mail] wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I think that this version is ready for the WGLC.
>> 
>> The document fully covers the items promised when requesting adoption [1]. As listed in the ACK section, we also solicited and integrated feedback from many yangdoctors, solicited SAAG WG to review the security text, etc. Refer to 1.1 for a comprehensive list of the changes.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Med
>> 
>> [1] Slide#7 of https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/117/materials/slides-117-netmod-7-guidelines-for-authors-and-reviewers-of-documents-containing-yang-data-models-00 
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>>>   Title:   Guidelines for Authors and Reviewers of Documents
>>> Containing YANG Data Models
>>>   Authors: Andy Bierman
>>>            Mohamed Boucadair
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>>>   Name:    draft-ietf-netmod-rfc8407bis-09.txt
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>>>   Dates:   2024-02-28
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>>>   Configuration Protocol (NETCONF) and RESTCONF protocol
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