Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef
"Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com> Mon, 07 October 2019 09:16 UTC
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From: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com>
To: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com>
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Subject: Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef
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Hi Martin, > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Bjorklund <mbj@tail-f.com> > Sent: 07 October 2019 09:00 > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com> > Cc: J.Schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de; balazs.lengyel@ericsson.com; > netmod@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef > > "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com> wrote: > > [Copying Balazs because this discussion is moving to instance-data > > document schema definitions.] > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Schönwälder, Jürgen <J.Schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> > > > Sent: 04 October 2019 10:36 > > > To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <rwilton@cisco.com> > > > Cc: Christian Hopps <chopps@chopps.org>; Mahesh Jethanandani > > > <mjethanandani@gmail.com>; netmod@ietf.org > > > Subject: Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 04, 2019 at 08:17:33AM +0000, Rob Wilton (rwilton) wrote: > > > > > > > > To use the "tags:tag" typedef, ietf-yang-package had an import on > > > > "ietf- > > > module-tags" which both defines a tags type and also a "module-tags" > > > container as well. I want the typedef, but not the container, > > > because I don't want the schema for the package file to be: > > > > +--ro yang-package <-- I do want this > > > > | +--ro name yang:yang-identifier > > > > | ... > > > > +--ro module-tags <-- I don't want this > > > > +- ... > > > > > > > > > > Isn't import-only-module in YANG library take care of this? > > [RW] > > Yes, that is one solution. > > > > The instance data document (probably in JSON, but I've given an XML > > snippet below) could use the "inline-spec" for specifying the schema. > > > > But this means that every package instance file, needs to have some > > boilerplate like this before the actual package definition.: > > > > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <instance-data-set xmlns= > > "urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-instance-data"> > > <name>some-yang-package</name> > > <inline-spec>ietf-yang-library@2019-01-04.yang</inline-spec> > > <inline-content-schema> > > <yang-library xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:yang:ietf-yang-library"> > > <module-set> > > <name>all</name> > > <module> > > <name>ietf-yang-package</name> > > <revision>2019-09-11</revision> > > </module> > > <import-only-module> > > <name>ietf-yang-package-types</name> > > <revision>xxxx-xx-xx</revision> > > </module> > > <import-only-module> > > <name>ietf-module-tags</name> > > <revision>xxxx-xx-xx</revision> > > </module> > > <import-only-module> > > <name>ietf-yang-revisions</name> > > <revision>xxxx-xx-xx</revision> > > </module> > > <module> > > <name>ietf-yang-structure-ext</name> > > <revision>xxxx-xx-xx</revision> > > </module> > > <module> > > <name>ietf-yang-types</name> > > <revision>xxxx-xx-xx</revision> > > </module> > > <module> > > <name>ietf-yang-library</name> > > <revision>xxxx-xx-xx</revision> > > </module> > > <module> > > <name>ietf-inet-types</name> > > <revision>xxxx-xx-xx</revision> > > </module> > > </module-set> > > </yang-library> > > </inline-content-schema> > > <content-data> > > // Actual package information goes here. > > </content-data> > > </instance-data-set> > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-instance-file- > > format/?include_text=1 > > > > The YANG instance data draft provides some other choices: > > (1) (External Method) Don't define the schema, just assume that > > clients know what it will be for YANG packages. E.g. it would be > > specified in the YANG packages RFC. > > I prefer this solution for the packages document. The risk here, is that the package definition may get extended/augmented over time. > > > (2) (URI method) Put the schema in a separate instance data document > > and reference that. This could be defined in the YANG packages RFC, > > but it might open the question of what URI can you use to retrieve it. > > (3) Simplified inline schema. > > > > It is the third one that I would ideally like to use. > > Ugh, I haven't paid enough attention to the instance data document... I > will comment on this design in a separate email. OK 😊 There is also a 4th choice here. My plan is that the latest version of the packaging draft will augment the instance-data-set structure to allow a named package to be used as a specification for a schema. So, package definitions could make use of this. It would be still be concise, but complete and extensible. > > > Here, the package data would like something like this (sorry, in JSON > > this time): > > > > "ietf-yang-instance-data:instance-data-set": { > > "name": "example-ietf-network-device-pkg", > > "module": [ "ietf-yang-package@2019-09-11.yang" ], > > "description": "YANG package definition", > > "content-data": { > > "ietf-yang-package:yang-package": { > > "name": "example-ietf-network-device-pkg", > > // Actual package information goes here. > > } > > } > > } > > > > Here, the schema is defined by the "module" line > > "ietf-yang-package@2019-09-11.yang". I think that there are some > > details to work out, but I think that the import dependencies for > > "ietf-yang-package.yang" could be automatically resolved as > > import-only YANG modules. I have also tried to minimize the required > > imports (e.g. don't import YANG library, perhaps don't import from > > module-tags). > > You shouldn't have to do that. You should use the appriopriate types. The packages import against YANG library was only pulling in the "grouping location-leaf-list", so for YANG library, having the import doesn't seem to be that helpful. > > > In terms of typedefs, are two typedefs equivalent if they have exactly > > the same definition in two different modules? Or does the fact that > > they are named given them a slightly different meaning? > > By reusing appriopriate typedefs you get clearer semantics. In the > extreme case everyting is just strings with some descripton statements > (you might think that this is absurd, but this approach has been taken by > some data model designers (not necessarily yang) ...) Yes, I agree with you in principle, in that referencing the typedef provides more semantic information that just mirroring the type. Thanks, Rob > > > /martin > > > > > Thanks, > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > /js > > > > > > -- > > > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > > > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > > > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <https://www.jacobs-university.de/> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > >
- [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef Mahesh Jethanandani
- Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef Andy Bierman
- Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef Christian Hopps
- Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef Schönwälder
- Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [netmod] References to the "tags" typedef Rob Wilton (rwilton)