Re: [netmod] Draft IETF 119 NETMOD Agenda posted

Hi Jan, you attended the Interim on Jan 23, and didn’t object to the Minutes [1] that say:

     The consensus in the room was a new "Option 4" - i.e., this
     document doesn't say anything at all about the validity of
     <running>.  That is, fully rely on existing 7950 and 8342
     statements.  This leaves it up to interpretation.

Has something changed since then?

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-interim-2024-netmod-01-202401231400/

Kent

> On Mar 12, 2024, at 12:15 PM, Jan Lindblad (jlindbla) <jlindbla=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> 
> Qiufang,
> 
> I'm sorry to say I'm strongly against WGLC at this time because of point #2 below.
> 
> One of the great contributions to network automation that YANG has brought is that clients now have a fair chance at computing a desired configuration change for a network element. Maybe we need to develop a more elaborate model for configuration consistency relative today's "The running configuration datastore MUST always be valid", but have I trouble with us stirring up multiple interpretations and then staying silent. That's not the way to build interoperability.
> 
> IMO we need to sort out what the rules are before we come close to WGLC, or else the grief outweighs the gain.
> 
> Best Regards,
> /jan
> 
>> On 12 Mar 2024, at 03:44, maqiufang (A) <maqiufang1=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, chairs,
>>  
>> For system-config draft (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-system-config/), the authors have submitted a new version to reflect the outcome of the interim, the main updates are following:
>> 1.      Address the "origin" issue
>> a.       The current document explicitly states that system configuration copied from <system> into <running> have its origin value being reported as "intended" and update the examples accordingly
>> b.      Also, update the definition of "intended" origin identity in 8342 to allow a subset of configuration in <intended> to use "system" as origin value
>> c.       The current document states data migration is out-of-scope except that gives a couple of implementation examples in section 4.2 (please feel free to propose text if you have better suggestion)
>> 2.      validity of <running> alone
>> a.       The current document is silent on this point. Related statements which requires referenced system nodes must be copied into <running> are removed.
>> 3.      Other updates
>> a.       Usage examples refinement, e.g., fix validation errors, remove redundancy for conciseness
>>  
>> There is currently no open issues, thus the authors believe this draft is ready for WGLC, but this might be worth a broad review on the mailing list.
>>  
>> Best Regards,
>> Qiufang
>> From: netmod [mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger
>> Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 9:44 PM
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>> Cc: netmod-chairs@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [netmod] Draft IETF 119 NETMOD Agenda posted
>>  
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>> Lou (and Kent)
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>> On 3/7/2024 3:53 PM, Jason Sterne (Nokia) wrote:
>> Hello NETMOD WG,
>>  
>> A draft NETMOD agenda for IETF 119 has been published. Please review and let the chairs know if any changes are needed or additional topics should be covered.
>>  
>> The agenda is pasted below, but here's the link to the always-current version: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/materials/agenda-119-netmod
>>  
>> Presenters: please provide slides to netmod-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:netmod-chairs@ietf.org> no later than Sunday March 17 (any time zone).
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>> Thanks,
>> Jason (+ chairs Kent and Lou)
>>  
>> Draft Agenda for the NETMOD 119 WG Session
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/materials/agenda-119-netmod
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/session/netmod
>> 
>> Session:
>> Thursday, March 21, 2024
>> 13:00-15:00 Brisbane (Australia - Eastern Time)
>> 03:00-05:00 UTC
>> 23:00-01:00 Wednesday March 20 America - Eastern Time
>> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20240321T030000&p1=47
>> 
>> Room: M2 https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/floor-plan?room=m2
>> 
>> WG Chairs:
>> Lou Berger (lberger at labs dot net)
>> Kent Watsen (kent plus ietf at watsen dot net)
>> 
>> WG Secretary
>> Jason Sterne (jason dot sterne at nokia dot com)
>> 
>> Available During Session:
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>> Audio Only: https://mp3.conf.meetecho.com/ietf119/31987.m3u
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>> Available During and After Session:
>> Notes: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-119-netmod?both
>> Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/session/netmod
>> Zulip (chat): https://zulip.ietf.org/#narrow/stream/126-netmod/topic/ietf-119
>> Drafts (TGZ): https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/agenda/netmod-drafts.tgz
>> Drafts (PDF): https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/agenda/netmod-drafts.pdf
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>> ICS: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/session/31987.ics
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>> Available After Session:
>> Recording: http://www.meetecho.com/ietf119/recordings#NETMOD
>> Jabber Logs: https://www.ietf.org/jabber/logs/netmod
>> 
>> 1) Session Intro & WG Status (10 min)
>> Presenter: Chairs
>> 
>> Chartered items:
>> 2) YANG Versioning Update (40 min)
>> Presenter: Rob Wilton and Joe Clarke
>> Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-module-versioning-11
>> Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-netmod-yang-semver-14
>> 
>> Non-Chartered items:
>> 3) Validating anydata in YANG Library context (10 min)
>> Presenter: Ahmed Elhassany
>> Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-aelhassany-anydata-validation-00
>> 
>> 4) Philatelist and YANG time-series db (10 min)
>> Presenter: Jan Lindblad
>> Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lindblad-tlm-philatelist-00
>> Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kll-yang-label-tsdb-00
>> 
>> 5) A YANG model for Device Power Management (10 min)
>> Presenter: Tony Li
>> Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-ivy-power-01
>> 
>> 6) YANG Full Embed (10 min)
>> Presenter: Jean Quilbeuf or Benoir Claise
>> Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jouqui-netmod-yang-full-include-01
>> 
>> 7) Applying COSE Signatures for YANG Data Provenance (10 min)
>> Presenter: Diego R. Lopez
>> Draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-lopez-opsawg-yang-provenance-02
>> 
>> Unallocated time: 20 min
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