Re: [netmod] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14
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From: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" <rwilton@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [netmod] Secdir last call review of
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I basically agree with Juergen. I have also raised this with the security ADs to try and find a path to resolve this. Thanks, Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: netmod <netmod-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Juergen Schoenwaelder > Sent: 10 March 2020 12:19 > To: Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com> > Cc: Balázs Lengyel <balazs.lengyel=40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>rg>; > 'netmod@ietf.org' <netmod@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [netmod] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-netmod- > factory-default-14 > > Hi, > > if secdir people believe RFC 6242 needs to be revised or updated, then > this is a separate work item for the NETCONF working group to consider. I > do not think that such an update should gate any data models currently in > the pipeline. (I am not even sure such an update is strictly needed since > if we go there, we constantly need udpates, but that is then a NETCONF > discussion.) > > /js > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 12:13:51PM +0000, Qin Wu wrote: > > Thanks Balazs for heads up. I think the security guideline we are > currently following is one defined in the following link: > > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines > > If it is a issue, I believe it applies to all YANG related documents. > > > > -Qin > > -----邮件原件----- > > 发件人: netmod [mailto:netmod-bounces@ietf.org] 代表 Balázs Lengyel > > 发送时间: 2020年3月10日 19:59 > > 收件人: 'netmod@ietf.org' <netmod@ietf.org> > > 主题: [netmod] FW: Secdir last call review of > > draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 > > > > As an author of netmod drafts I would like to see some general guidance > on this issue. Can someone help please. > > Balazs > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stephen Kent via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> > > Sent: 2020. március 9., hétfő 20:15 > > To: secdir@ietf.org > > Cc: netmod@ietf.org; draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default.all@ietf.org; > > last-call@ietf.org > > Subject: Secdir last call review of > > draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 > > > > Reviewer: Stephen Kent > > Review result: Has Issues > > > > SECDIR review of draft-ietf-netmod-factory-default-14 > > > > Section 6, Security Considerations, calls for use of SSH (RFC 6242) > > with NETCONF and HTTPS (RFC 8446) with RESTCONF. The TLS reference is > > current, citing TLS v1.3. However, RFC 6242 is a document that > > describes how to use SSH with NETCONF. That document, in turn, cites > > RFC 4254, and that RFC cites RFC > > 4253 for a description of SSH. 4253 is a very much out of date document; > the integrity and key management algorithms in the original RFC have been > updated 3 times (6668, 8268, and 8332). The encryption algorithms cited in > 4253 are all outdated. This discussion of SSH security for use with > NETCONF, based on the one citation, seems to be inconsistent with current > IETF crypto guidelines. > > This is a problem that the net management area should address before > this document is approved. > > > > The discussion of how a factory-reset RPC may isolate a device, is good, > as is the warning about not relying on this RPC to prevent recovery of > security-sensitive data from NV storage. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > netmod mailing list > > netmod@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod > > -- > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <https://www.jacobs-university.de/> > > _______________________________________________ > netmod mailing list > netmod@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netmod
- [netmod] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-ne… Stephen Kent via Datatracker
- [netmod] FW: Secdir last call review of draft-iet… Balázs Lengyel
- Re: [netmod] Secdir last call review of draft-iet… Qin Wu
- Re: [netmod] Secdir last call review of draft-iet… Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [netmod] Secdir last call review of draft-iet… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- Re: [netmod] Secdir last call review of draft-iet… Kent Watsen
- Re: [netmod] Secdir last call review of draft-iet… Qin Wu