Re: [Netrqmts] IETF 105 Minutes
Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Thu, 01 August 2019 18:21 UTC
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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
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On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 03:22:08PM +0200, Alessandro Amirante wrote: > > Nobody connects endpoint to the actual Internet without firewalls in between. > > This can be true for IPv4. It isn't for IPv6. I've had a NAT-ted v4 address > and a public v6 address for quite some time, both at home and at the office. Absence of NAT does not mean absence of FW. Cheers Toerless > A. > > > Yes, a good travel notebook should have that firewall built-in. Many may > > be good. Windows probably a lot better than Linux. But its a kind of > > strange policy to provide such an uncommon type of access without > > communicating it clearly to the whole community and understanding their > > preferences. > > > > > > I guess the best thing i could think of would be to have a BCP RFC for > > > > how hotels should build out their network infrastructure to be best > > > > prepared for conferences/workshops etc. This could easily proliferate > > > > > > It's a great idea, and I sure wish it would occur. > > > > > > To be effective, they hotel chains would need to solicit this document, and > > > pay a significant figure for the consulting. Otherwise, they will ignore it. > > > > If a lot of conferences would refer to it, the hotels would not ignore > > it. Otherwise we might worst case support the business model of useless > > consultants reading our doc, and recommending its points for a lot of > > money to hotels. > > > > But yes, its work, so the question is whether there is enough critical > > mass to write it. > > > > > capport WG has been struggling for attention of the same types. > > > > I think thats a fundamentally different problem space. > > > > To automate the captive portal problem, you need to be able to tie every > > IoT devices authenticatication to some poor human, who forcefully has to absorb the > > advertisement of the portal and bear legal responsiblity requested by > > the portal. So pretty much you need a mobile phone app and cloud broker > > where iot device manufacturer can hire middle school kids that will then > > continuously watch advertisement clips from those portal operators and > > whose parents will pay the bail when the kid has to go to jail for > > something the IoT device did do wrong. > > > > Or else the business model of the captive portal has to change. > > > > Cheers > > toerless > > > > > > -- > > > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [ > > > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | IoT architect [ > > > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Netrqmts mailing list > > > Netrqmts@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/netrqmts > > > > > > -- > Ing. Alessandro Amirante, Ph.D. > > Meetecho S.r.l. > www.meetecho.com > > Via Riviera di Chiaia 124 > 80122 Napoli, Italy > > Mobile: +39 329 6178743 > E-mail: alex@meetecho.com
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