Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tomorrow
Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com> Thu, 16 September 2004 13:33 UTC
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From: Brian E Carpenter <brc@zurich.ibm.com>
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To: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
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Subject: Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tomorrow
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Well, I am the cause of a cruft case that will be on Harald's reading list soon, having submitted draft-carpenter-obsolete-1888-01.txt a few minutes ago. There are 27 substantive lines of text explaining why RFC 1888 is both OBE and broken, and 11 lines saying what the IESG, the remaining OSI proponents, and the IANA should do next. On the one hand, 38 lines is a bit light for an RFC. On the other hand, this information clearly needs to be published somewhere, since RFC 1888 is cited surprisingly often. For the moment, another RFC is the only tool we have. Brian Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > > > --On torsdag, september 16, 2004 09:10:06 +0300 Pekka Savola > <pekkas@netcore.fi> wrote: > >>> Only the protocols themselves have (mostly) consistently been recorded >>> as RFCs. >> >> >> Yes, and now that we want to remove them from the standards track (or >> whatever track), it would seem to make sense to document the reason >> "why?". The reason may be obvious, but such reasons are very easy to >> write down. > > > Pekka, > > you and I are in perfect agreement that the reasons must be published, > and the publication of the reasons must be archived. > > But you keep on insisting that these be published *AS RFCS*. I keep on > insisting that this is not only unnecessary, it is a departure both from > current rules and current practice with comparable decisions. > > Please make sure you argue against what I disagree with, and not against > what I agree with. > > But I'd like to hear other voices here too. I think Pekka and I have > made our opinions very, very clear by now... > > Harald > > > . > newtrk resources:_____________________________________________________ > web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk.html > mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk/index.html > . newtrk resources:_____________________________________________________ web user interface: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk.html mhonarc archive: http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~llynch/newtrk/index.html
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Pekka Savola
- [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tomorrow Eliot Lear
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Pekka Savola
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Eliot Lear
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… scott bradner
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… scott bradner
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Pekka Savola
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- PS and AS (Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out t… Harald Tveit Alvestrand
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Pekka Savola
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Tony Hansen
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Pekka Savola
- Re: [newtrk] new cruft draft due out today or tom… Tony Hansen