Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4.2
"Mike Eisler" <mre-ietf@eisler.com> Sat, 15 August 2009 14:58 UTC
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From: Mike Eisler <mre-ietf@eisler.com>
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Subject: Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4.2
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Reading through responses, both those published to the list and privately sent to me, I see a strong consensus for NFSv4.2, strong indication that there are people willing to contribute to the document process as orginators, editors, and reviewers, and strong indication that this work will be prototyped/implemented. I propose: - that NFSv4.2, RPCSEC_GSSv3, MAC be authorized as a work items immediately. -- I further propose that the primary editors of these three work items be, respectively, Mike Eisler, Nico Williams, and Dave Quigley. - For the NFSv4.2 document, we start by combining the COPY operations I-D, and the part of the MAC I-D that describes the RECOMMENDED MAC attribute. -- We should have a discussion and reach consensus on how to combine sub-file caching (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eisler-nfsv4-pnfs-dedupe or http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-myklebust-nfsv4-byte-range-delegations), peer-to-peer NFS ( http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-myklebust-nfsv4-pnfs-backend ), and unstable file create (see Trond's emails on this thread), and then fold this consensus into NFSv4.2. Going through the items one by one: On Wed, August 12, 2009 8:41 pm, Mike Eisler wrote: > Peer-to-Peer NFS Strong indication of support for this work in terms of reviewing, contributing and implementing (it has already been prototyped). Trond wants to re-do the prototype once the NFSv4.2 form of this work is clarified. > Copy James indicated he'd like to continue to contribute here, including with implementation. Tom Haynes also indicated a possibility to contribute here. > Hole Punching I received a private response that proposals for hole punching and thin provisioning will be coming soon. > MAC Security Attribute Dave Quigley is committed to contributing to > Traffic Classification Thus far, no renewed interested has been expressed on this. > End-to-End Data Integrity Thus far, no renewed interested has been expressed on this. > Umask Attribute Thus far, no renewed interested has been expressed on this. > Shutdown Callback Thus far, no renewed interested has been expressed on this. > Readahead Hint Thus far, no renewed interested has been expressed on this. > pNFS Connectivity/Access Indication A fresh item from Stockholm IETF meeting; absence of re-stating support for this is not absence of proof of interest. I for one am committed to seeing this solved in NFSv4.2. > Better Negotiation of Session Reply Cache Sizes A fresh item from after Stockholm IETF meeting; absence of re-stating support for this is not absence of proof of interest. But I remain luke warm on this ... not entirely convinced there is a problem to solve. > Metadata Striping Andy Adamson has expressed interest in prototyping this. > De-Dupe Awareness and Sub-File Caching In the context of peer-to-peer NFS, I see continued interested in sub-file caching. Sub-file caching as proposed my me, gives one de-dupe awareness for free (or the converse depending on how one wants to look at it). As I've proposed at the beginning of this message, the WG needs to discuss how it wants to approach all these topics before adding them to an NFSv4.2 I-D. New items: - unstable file creates. This has a lot of interested within the WG - capabilities: An item proposed by Nico Williams - attributes: Dan Muntz expressed an interest in revisiting how attributes are handled. -- Mike Eisler, Senior Technical Director, NetApp, 719 599 9026, http://blogs.netapp.com/eislers_nfs_blog/
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… William A. (Andy) Adamson
- [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4.2 Mike Eisler
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Tom Haynes
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Trond Myklebust
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Robert Gordon
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Rick Macklem
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Trond Myklebust
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… James Lentini
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Rick Macklem
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Trond Myklebust
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Rick Macklem
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Trond Myklebust
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Trond Myklebust
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Rick Macklem
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… David P. Quigley
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Trond Myklebust
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Rick Macklem
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Tom Haynes
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Noveck, Dave
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Noveck, Dave
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Muntz, Daniel
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Robert Gordon
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Trond Myklebust
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Nick Williams
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Trond Myklebust
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Trond Myklebust
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Mike Eisler
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Mike Eisler
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… David P. Quigley
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… sfaibish
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Spencer Shepler
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… R N ALEX
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Sorin Faibish
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Mahesh Siddheshwar
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Lisa Week
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Noveck, Dave
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Tom Haynes
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… J. Bruce Fields
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Sam Falkner
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Mike Eisler
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Mike Eisler
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Trond Myklebust
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Tigran Mkrtchyan
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Muntz, Daniel
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… sfaibish
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Benny Halevy
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Trond Myklebust
- Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4… Benny Halevy