Re: [nfsv4] List of possible work items for NFSv4.2

Spencer Shepler <shepler@storspeed.com> Tue, 18 August 2009 16:35 UTC

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Thanks for pulling this together, Mike.

I will be working with Lars for updates to the charter.

Spencer

On Aug 15, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Mike Eisler wrote:

> Reading through responses, both those published to the list and  
> privately
> sent to me, I see a strong consensus for NFSv4.2, strong indication
> that there are people willing to contribute to the document process as
> orginators, editors, and reviewers, and strong indication that this  
> work
> will be prototyped/implemented.
>
> I propose:
> - that NFSv4.2, RPCSEC_GSSv3, MAC be authorized as a work items  
> immediately.
> -- I further propose that the primary editors of these three work  
> items be,
>   respectively, Mike Eisler, Nico Williams, and Dave Quigley.
> - For the NFSv4.2 document, we start by combining the COPY  
> operations I-D,
>  and the part of the MAC I-D that describes the RECOMMENDED MAC  
> attribute.
> -- We should have a discussion and reach consensus on how to combine
>   sub-file caching
> (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-eisler-nfsv4-pnfs-dedupe
>   or
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-myklebust-nfsv4-byte-range-delegations) 
> ,
>   peer-to-peer NFS (
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-myklebust-nfsv4-pnfs-backend ),
>   and unstable file create (see Trond's emails on this thread),
>   and then fold this consensus into NFSv4.2.
>
> Going through the items one by one:
>
> On Wed, August 12, 2009 8:41 pm, Mike Eisler wrote:
>
>> Peer-to-Peer NFS
>
> Strong indication of support for this work in terms of reviewing,
> contributing and implementing (it has already been prototyped).
> Trond wants to re-do the prototype once the NFSv4.2 form of this
> work is clarified.
>
>> Copy
>
> James indicated he'd like to continue to contribute here, including
> with implementation. Tom Haynes also indicated a possibility to  
> contribute
> here.
>
>> Hole Punching
>
> I received a private response that proposals for hole punching and
> thin provisioning will be coming soon.
>
>> MAC Security Attribute
>
> Dave Quigley is committed to contributing to
>
>> Traffic Classification
>
> Thus far, no renewed interested has been expressed on this.
>
>> End-to-End Data Integrity
>
> Thus far, no renewed interested has been expressed on this.
>
>
>> Umask Attribute
>
> Thus far, no renewed interested has been expressed on this.
>
>> Shutdown Callback
>
> Thus far, no renewed interested has been expressed on this.
>
>> Readahead Hint
>
> Thus far, no renewed interested has been expressed on this.
>
>> pNFS Connectivity/Access Indication
>
> A fresh item from Stockholm IETF meeting; absence of
> re-stating support for this is not absence of proof of interest.
> I for one am committed to seeing this solved in NFSv4.2.
>
>> Better Negotiation of Session Reply Cache Sizes
>
> A fresh item from after Stockholm IETF meeting; absence of
> re-stating support for this is not absence of proof of interest.
> But I remain luke warm on this ... not entirely convinced there is
> a problem to solve.
>
>> Metadata Striping
>
> Andy Adamson has expressed interest in prototyping this.
>
>> De-Dupe Awareness and Sub-File Caching
>
> In the context of peer-to-peer NFS, I see continued interested
> in sub-file caching. Sub-file caching as proposed my me, gives
> one de-dupe awareness for free (or the converse depending on
> how one wants to look at it). As I've proposed at the beginning of
> this message, the WG needs to discuss how it wants to approach all
> these topics before adding them to an NFSv4.2 I-D.
>
> New items:
>
> - unstable file creates. This has a lot of interested within the WG
> - capabilities: An item proposed by Nico Williams
> - attributes: Dan Muntz expressed an interest in revisiting how  
> attributes
>  are handled.
>
>
> -- 
> Mike Eisler, Senior Technical Director, NetApp, 719 599 9026,
> http://blogs.netapp.com/eislers_nfs_blog/
>
>
>
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