Re: [NGO] access control

Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Wed, 19 March 2008 09:14 UTC

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From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
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On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 01:36:53PM -0700, Andy Bierman wrote:
 
> One of the many lessons learned from SMING was that vendors
> would not tolerate a MIB language that changed -- at all.
> It is way too expensive to support multiple DML variants.
> A development approach in the IETF that relied on 'adding on'
> bits and pieces to the MIB language was soundly rejected.
> I think that logic still holds today.

I do not subscribe to this statement. The extensibility of SMIng has
in fact been carried forward to YANG and as far as I can tell this
will be used at least for vendor extensions.

Andy, why do you not get a team together to work out a decent access
control proposal? This would be forward progress...

/js

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