Re: Fwd: Re: [Fwd: (ngtrans) Fwd: Draft Agenda for Yokohama]

[Pekka Savola <[e-mail]>]

On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Francois Le Faucheur wrote:
> Actually, I had a quick look at RFC2026. My understanding of it is that
> the procedure recommended by IETF is to declare IPR to IETF Exec
> director and not to include any statement in the drafts themselves
> (apart from the standard IETF Intellectual Property statement). Is it
> not so?

I don't think this is a good practise.  Declaring IPR ("the lawyer
letter") naturally is sent to IETF Exec director, and not embedded in the
draft, but IMO it's a bad form not to include anything in the memo.

> At 18:05 28/06/2002 +0200, Francois Le Faucheur wrote:
> >Hi pekka,
> >
> >At 18:40 28/06/2002 +0300, Pekka Savola wrote:
> >>Btw,
> >>
> >>It seems rather convenient that BGP Tunneling includes Cisco IPR, but
> >>that's not mentioned in the draft.  Hopefully that's mentioned in the
> >>transition scenarios.
> >
> >Cisco's IPR public statement on BGP Tunnel is available from IETF server's 
> >page on IPR.
> >
> >Yes, the plan is to add a statement on that in the next rev of BGP Tunnel 
> >draft. But we have not issued a next rev for Yokohama (ie most recent one 
> >dates January 2002) because although technical content seems pretty much 
> >agreed (after Last Call), it only makes sense to issue the next version 
> >when we understand how the draft would need to be finally packaged to go 
> >through IESG (eg modified applicability statement,...).
> >
> >Regarding the transition I-D, there is no statement. To me the statement 
> >really belongs to the BGP-Tunnel draft itself. But if you guys feel it 
> >should be in the transition I-D as well, we can add it in there.
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Francois
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Francois Le Faucheur wrote:
> >>
> >> > just resending (had forgotten the ngtrans listr in cc:).
> >> > Francois
> >> >
> >> > >Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:48:10 +0200
> >> > >To: [e-mail],
> >> > >From: Francois Le Faucheur <[e-mail]>
> >> > >Subject: Re: [Fwd: (ngtrans) Fwd: Draft Agenda for Yokohama]
> >> > >Cc: Francois Le Faucheur <[e-mail]>,
> >> > >[e-mail], Alain Durand <[e-mail]>, Tony
> >> > >Hain <[e-mail]>
> >> > >
> >> > >Margaret,
> >> > >
> >> > >In line with your earlier request, I posted an I-D describing operational
> >> > >environments and transition scenarios where
> >> > ><draft-ietf-ngtrans-bgp-tunnel.xx> fits well. This draft is
> >> > ><draft-lefaucheur-bgp-tunnel-transition-00.txt> and will appear on the
> >> > >server soon.
> >> > >
> >> > >Unfortunately I only managed to work on it and post it just before the
> >> > >cut-off date, so there has not been any time to discuss it/reflect it in
> >> > >the work of the Design Teams.
> >> > >
> >> > >I would like to request a short slot in Yokohama to present these
> >> > >operational environements and transition scenarios. Is this possible?
> >> > >
> >> > >In the meantime, feed-back on the draft over the list is very welcome of
> >> > >course.
> >> > >
> >> > >Thanks
> >> > >
> >> > >Francois
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >>-------- Original Message --------
> >> > >>Subject: (ngtrans) Fwd: Draft Agenda for Yokohama
> >> > >>Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 13:39:33 -0400
> >> > >>From: Margaret Wasserman <[e-mail]>
> >> > >>Reply-To: Margaret Wasserman <[e-mail]>
> >> > >>To: [e-mail]
> >> > >>CC: Alain Durand <[e-mail]>,Tony Hain <[e-mail]>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Hi All,
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Attached please find a draft agenda for Yokohama.  Please let us
> >> > >>know if there are any comments, or if I have omitted any topics
> >> > >>that should be covered.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Thanks,
> >> > >>Margaret
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Next Generation Transition WG (ngtrans)
> >> > >>Wednesday, July 17 at 0900-1130
> >> > >>=======================================
> >> > >>
> >> > >>CHAIRS:  Alain Durand <alain.durand@suncom>
> >> > >>            Tony Hain <[e-mail]>
> >> > >>            Margaret Wasserman <[e-mail]>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>AGENDA:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Introduction and Agenda Bashing -- Chairs (5 min)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Design Team Problem Statements/Scenarios
> >> > >>          - Overview of Design Team Concept -- Tony Hain (5 min)
> >> > >>          - 3GPP Team -- Jonne Soininen (10 min)
> >> > >>          - Unmanaged Networks Team -- Christian Huitema (10 min)
> >> > >>          - ISP Team -- Cleve Mickles (10 min)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>3GPP Transition Solutions -- Juha Wiljakka (15 min)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Transition Mechanism Applicability
> >> > >>          - DSTM -- Jim Bound (10 min)
> >> > >>          - ISATAP -- Fred Templin (10 min)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>NAT64/NAT46 Mechanism -- Alain Durand (10 min)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>NGTrans Charter Discussion
> >> > >>          - Review Proposed Charter Wording -- Chairs (15 min)
> >> > >>          - Discuss On-going Work -- Chairs (15 min)
> >> > >>                  (What should progress, and what should wait
> >> > >>                  for design team output)
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Interim Meeting Discussion -- Margaret Wasserman (5 min)
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> > >>Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:07:31 -0400
> >> > >>To: [e-mail]
> >> > >>From: Margaret Wasserman <[e-mail]>
> >> > >>Subject: (ngtrans) Fwd: Activities Update
> >> > >>Sender: [e-mail]
> >> > >>Reply-To: Margaret Wasserman <[e-mail]>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Just a reminder...
> >> > >>
> >> > >>As I mentioned in my earlier message:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>We have asked the authors of ngtrans mechanisms to describe, either 
> >> in an
> >> > >>applicability statement
> >> > >>or in a companion document, specific scenarios where their proposal fits
> >> > >>better than other existing
> >> > >>work.  This information will be used by the design teams,as they work to
> >> > >>assemble complete transition
> >> > >>plans for the most likely transition scenarios.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>The ID cut-off date for -00 documents is Monday, June 24th at 9am EDT,
> >> > >>and the cut-off for
> >> > >>updates is Monday, July 1st.  So, please get these documents in as soon
> >> > >>as possible, in
> >> > >>order to help the design teams to better understand your work.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>Thanks,
> >> > >>Margaret
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >>--
> >>Pekka Savola                 "Tell me of difficulties surmounted,
> >>Netcore Oy                   not those you stumble over and fall"
> >>Systems. Networks. Security.  -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords
> 

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Pekka Savola                 "Tell me of difficulties surmounted,
Netcore Oy                   not those you stumble over and fall"
Systems. Networks. Security.  -- Robert Jordan: A Crown of Swords