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Re: [nmrg] Updating draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-00

"Michael Behringer (mbehring)" <mbehring@cisco.com> Thu, 26 June 2014 10:23 UTC

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From: "Michael Behringer (mbehring)" <mbehring@cisco.com>
To: Sheng Jiang <jiangsheng@huawei.com>, "anima@ietf.org" <anima@ietf.org>, "nmrg@irtf.org" <nmrg@irtf.org>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sheng Jiang [mailto:jiangsheng@huawei.com]
> Sent: 25 June 2014 10:35
> To: Michael Behringer (mbehring); anima@ietf.org; nmrg@irtf.org
> Subject: RE: Updating draft-irtf-nmrg-autonomic-network-definitions-00
> 
> Hi, Michael,
> 
> Your suggestions looks good.
> 
> One comments: the current definition of autonomic network looks vague.
> May I propose to modify it: a network which employs autonomic functions
> network-wide.

Thanks for the suggestion Sheng. Well, I think the definition is recursive, and actually DOES reflect what you're suggesting, because it says: 

      <t>Autonomic Network: A network containing autonomic nodes.</t>
and 
      <t>Autonomic Node: A node which employs autonomic functions. It may
      operate on any layer of the networking stack. Examples are routers,
      switches, personal computers, call managers, etc.</t>

The only thing that's not covered is the "network wide". But that's also not necessarily true, because an autonomic function could well span only a few devices. 

We could change the Autonomic Function definition to (last sentence added): 

      <t>Autonomic Function: A function which requires no configuration, and
      can derive all required information either through self-knowledge, discovery    
      or through intent. Typically an autonomic function spans several nodes.</t>

What do you think? I'm a bit in between "yes, this is more precise", and "this doesn't add much value and complicates things". Slight tendency to agree to add it. 

Thoughts? 

Michael


> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Sheng

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