Re: [NSIS] Pending issue secdir review ofdraft-ietf-nsis-nslp-natfw-13.txt

[Martin Stiemerling <[e-mail]>]

Hi John,

Yes I will be able to do this, I just want some feedback if the WG is  
fine with it.

I also see this as the right approach, i.e., narrowing the security  
section down to the real issues that are still valid. Some of the  
issues are more less GIST issues which have been described in GIST  
itself.

The current security section has grown over time, which is quite  
common for older drafts.

Thanks,

   Martin

Am 18.06.2007 um 17:19 schrieb <[e-mail]>  
<[e-mail]>:

> Martin,
>
> When do you think you will be able to do this? I agree that this is  
> the
> right thing to do.
>
> John
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> 	From: ext Martin Stiemerling [mailto:[e-mail]]
> 	Sent: 18 June, 2007 02:37
> 	To: nsis
> 	Subject: [NSIS] Pending issue secdir review
> ofdraft-ietf-nsis-nslp-natfw-13.txt
> 	
> 	
> 	Hi all,
>
> 	We still have the pending issue of handling the sec dir review
> of the NATFW NSLP form last December.
>
> 	My current intention is too follow the guidance and to rework
> the whole security section to get it shorten and focussed on the real
> challenges of the NATFW NSLP.
>
> 	Any further thoughts or objections?
>
> 	Thanks,
>
> 	  Martin (for all NATFW NSLP authors)
> 	
>
> 	Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail:
>
>
> 		Von: Magnus Westerlund <[e-mail]>
> 		Datum: 11. Dezember 2006 10:22:31 MEZ
> 		An: NSIS <[e-mail]>
> 		Kopie: [e-mail]
> 		Betreff: [NSIS] [Fwd: secdir review of
> draft-ietf-nsis-nslp-natfw-13.txt]
>
> 		Hi NSIS
>
> 		Many thanks to Catherine Meadows (CC) who has done the
> Security Directorate review attached. It was done on my and the WG
> chairs request through the security ADs to help check the security
> details of the document. It contains the normal boilerplate for  
> document
> that are in IESG review, but as you know this document isn't in that
> step yet. I hope this can help improve the document.
>
> 		Cheers
>
> 		Magnus Westerlund
>
> 		IETF Transport Area Director & TSVWG Chair
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> 		Von: Catherine Meadows <[e-mail]>
> 		Datum: 10. Dezember 2006 15:32:45 MEZ
> 		An: [e-mail], [e-mail],
> [e-mail], [e-mail],
> [e-mail], [e-mail]
> 		Kopie: Catherine Meadows <[e-mail]>
> 		Betreff: secdir review of
> draft-ietf-nsis-nslp-natfw-13.txt
>
>
> 		I have reviewed this document as part of the security
> directorate's
> 		ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being
> processed by the
> 		IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the
> benefit of the
> 		security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs
> should treat
> 		these comments just like any other last call comments.
>
> 		This ID describes a protocol by which hosts may signal
> along the path used
> 		for transport of data packets the information necessary
> to configure
> 		NATs and firewalls
> 		according to the needs of the
> 		application data flows.  Not surprisingly, the use of
> this protocol by unauthorized
> 		hosts could cause major security problems.  The security
> considerations considerations section of this document describes the
> problems in detail,
> 		and outlines recommendations for solutions.  These are
> to have
> 		security mechanisms providing data origin
> authentication, replay protection, integrity protection, and optional
> confidentiality protection.  According to this document, uch security
> 		mechanisms can be provided for neighboring nodes
> 		by using a mutually authenticated
> 		transport layer secured connection and by relying on
> authorization by the
> 		neighboring NATFW NSLP entities, as well as randomly
> generated (that is,
> 		unpredictable) session IDs.
>
> 		For non-neighboring nodes (presumably, this means nodes
> that do not share
> 		a security association) some sort of authorization is
> still necessary.  The document
> 		discusses the possibility of using authorization tokens
> for this, and also provides
> 		some recommendations for protecting them (e.g.
> protection against tampering
> 		and confidentiality to protect against replay).  The
> document does not
> 		go into detail about this, apparently because the usage
> of authorization tokens
> 		in NPLS is covered in another document (referenced in
> this ID).
>
> 		This security strategy looks plausible, but I found the
> justification for it very hard to follow.  It starts with a number of
> possible attacks that an unauthorized host could perform using NSLP.
> Almost all of these attacks can be prevented by providing  
> authorization
> (the exceptions are one or two denial of service attacks), and
> recommendations for authorizations are accordingly provided.    
> However,
> there
> 		are two cases in which such recommendations are lacking.
> In one of these
> 		(5.2.3, data sender behind a firewall), no reason is
> given for the lack of a recommendation.  In the other (5.8, misuse of
> unreleased sessions), it is claimed
> 		that this will be addressed by the NATFW NSLP.  This
> last confused me;
> 		isn't that the protocol that this document describes?
>
> 		The list of attacks appears to have grown up over a
> period of time as the document went through its various  
> iterations.  In
> its current form, the list is not very helpful, especially as the  
> end of
> the security considerations section, in which the actual  
> recommendations
> are made do not reference them explicitly.  Instead, there
> 		are somewhat vague comments such as
> 		   Almost all security threats at the
> 		   NATFW NSLP layer can be prevented by using a mutually
> authenticated
> 		   Transport Layer secured connection and by relying on
> authorization by
> 		   the neighboring NATFW NSLP entities.
> 		It would have been helpful for the reader to know what
> is meant by "almost all"
> 		without having to go back through the entire list of
> attacks.
>
> 		I would suggest that the authors provide a tightened up,
> condensed account of the
> 		security threats against NSLP.  There is no need to try
> to have an exhaustive list
> 		of attacks; indeed such a list will be of limited use
> since one can never be certain that all the possibilities can be
> exhaustive.  Instead, it would be more helpful to described classes of
> threats, with some illustrative examples.
>
> 		In the final section, where the recommendations for
> security mechanisms are
> 		made, you need to be explicit about the types of threats
> that are addressed.
> 		In particular,  some characterization of the types of
> threats that are and are not addressed by authentication and
> authorization of neighboring nodes needs to be provided,
>
>
> 		I am wondering if it would not be a good idea to have a
> separate ID
> 		describing the security mechanisms that need to be used
> by this protocol.
> 		The WG already seems to be halfway there, since they are
> already working
> 		on an ID for authentication tokens.
>
> 		Catherine Meadows
> 		Head, Formal Methods Section
> 		Center for High Assurance Computer Systems
> 		Code 5540
> 		Naval Research Laboratory
> 		Washington, DC 20375
> 		phone: [phone]
> 		fax: [phone]
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