[Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA NTP table management process
Harlan Stenn <stenn@ntp.org> Thu, 20 February 2025 00:20 UTC
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Subject: [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA NTP table management process
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On 2/19/2025 11:23 AM, Hal Murray wrote: > > stenn=40ntp.org@dmarc.ietf.org said: >> I don't understand. Are you saying that 256 type may not be enough for >> NTPv4? > > If Miroslav hadn't said it, I would have. > > Running out of slots in any table is a really bad idea. Nothing in recent > history tells us that there won't be an explosion of allocations tomorrow. > I don't have any suggestions to change (or "fix") anything, but I will > object to any arguments along the lines of 256 is plenty. And my response would be the same. You are both worried about something that MIGHT happen, and want to make preemptive changes without consideration of the real cost of those changes. I believe "you" are responding and acting out of a fear of what might happen, and the "fix" you want to implement now will LIMIT choices down the road. Do you see any problem with the Extended Extension Field thing I described in previous emails? >> The working group is already talking about v5, and v5 can change the EF >> stuff in any way it wants. > > The current plan is to use the same table for V5 and ... Sure. And think about the word "current". If things pan out so this turns out to be a bad idea, v5 MAY choose to use a different format, even if it turns out to be a superset of the v4 EF table. -- Harlan Stenn <stenn@ntp.org> NTP Project Lead. The NTP Project is part of https://www.nwtime.org/ - be a member!
- [Ntp] NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA NTP… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] NTP Extension Field additions, an… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] NTP Extension Field additions, an… Paul Gear
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: NTP Extension Field additions… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] NTP Extension Field additions, an… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Erik Kline
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: NTP Extension Field additions… Paul Gear
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: NTP Extension Field additions… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: NTP Extension Field additions… Daniel Franke
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] NTP Extension Field additions, an… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Erik Kline
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: NTP Extension Field additions… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: Re: NTP Extension Field addit… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: Re: NTP Extension Field addit… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: Re: NTP Extension Field addit… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… Sabrina Tanamal via RT
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Richard Laager
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Daniel Franke
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… David Venhoek
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… kristof.teichel
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Richard Laager
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Salz, Rich
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Richard Laager
- [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA… Hal Murray
- [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Erik Kline
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Ruben Nijveld
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… David Venhoek
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Daniel Franke
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Salz, Rich
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Daniel Franke
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… kristof.teichel
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Salz, Rich
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Daniel Franke
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… kristof.teichel
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… kristof.teichel
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Miroslav Lichvar