[Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA NTP table management process (ntp-parameters)
Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com> Thu, 03 July 2025 08:49 UTC
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From: Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>
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Subject: [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA NTP table management process (ntp-parameters)
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On Wed, Jul 02, 2025 at 06:10:05PM -0700, Harlan Stenn wrote: > > They don't have to be RFCs. My understanding is that linking to an > > expired draft on the IETF datatracker is not acceptable. Considering > > the history of these specifications in the NTP WG, my recommendation > > to avoid further delays would be to publish it outside of the RFC > > process, e.g. on the ntp.org domain. > > Then please consider them published via the github account where the drafts > are still listed: > > https://github.com/hstenn/ietf-ntp-extended-information-ef > https://github.com/hstenn/ietf-ntp-i-do > https://github.com/hstenn/ietf-ntp-mac-last-ef > https://github.com/ hstenn/ietf-ntp-suggest-refid I think linking to github is fine, but it should be a link to the rendered version of the document (not a project page or xml source code) and it shouldn't look like it came from IETF (assuming you don't want to go through the RFC process). I hope others will correct me if I'm wrong. I agree with what Daniel said about RFC 7822. I understand you would like to see the original problem with ambiguity solved differently, but that is what has been accepted and implementations are now expected to follow. It doesn't make much sense to register a new extension field that cannot be included in a RFC7822-conforming NTPv4 message, right? -- Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA NTP… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] NTP Extension Field additions, an… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] NTP Extension Field additions, an… Paul Gear
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: NTP Extension Field additions… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] NTP Extension Field additions, an… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Erik Kline
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: NTP Extension Field additions… Paul Gear
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: NTP Extension Field additions… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: NTP Extension Field additions… Daniel Franke
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] NTP Extension Field additions, an… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Erik Kline
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: NTP Extension Field additions… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: Re: NTP Extension Field addit… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: Re: NTP Extension Field addit… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: Re: NTP Extension Field addit… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… Sabrina Tanamal via RT
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Richard Laager
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Daniel Franke
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… David Venhoek
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… kristof.teichel
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Richard Laager
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Salz, Rich
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Richard Laager
- [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA… Hal Murray
- [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Erik Kline
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Ruben Nijveld
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… David Venhoek
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Daniel Franke
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Salz, Rich
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Daniel Franke
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… kristof.teichel
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Salz, Rich
- [Ntp] [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field additio… David Dong via RT
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Daniel Franke
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… kristof.teichel
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: NTP Extension Field additions, and IANA… Miroslav Lichvar
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension… Windl, Ulrich
- [Ntp] Re: [EXT] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension… Harlan Stenn
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… kristof.teichel
- [Ntp] Re: [IANA #1413181] NTP Extension Field add… Miroslav Lichvar