Re: [OAUTH-WG] question about the b64token syntax in draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer

I think clarification text makes sense here because we're importing a 
term from a foreign spec -- b64token -- that overlaps with a term 
meaning something quite different in our spec -- token. We can't really 
change either of these terms, so we need to separate them some other way.
  -- Justin

On 03/06/2012 11:29 AM, Paul Madsen wrote:
> as one of the unnamed 'confused colleagues', I'd welcome clarification
>
> paul
>
> On 3/6/12 11:23 AM, Brian Campbell wrote:
>> Thanks Mike, I think changing the example would be helpful.
>>
>> However I think that including some text along the lines of what James
>> suggested would also be very valuable. I agree that the connection
>> between OAuth and Bearer could and should be made more explicit. And
>> that the implications of the b64token syntax, particularly on what AS
>> can use to construct ATs, could/should be made more clear.
>>
>> I can propose some specific text (building on James') if others in the WG agree?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Mike Jones<Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>  wrote:
>>> I'm fine with changing the example to make it clearer that b64token allows a wider range of characters than just those legal for base64 and base64url encodings of data values.
>>>
>>> I'll add it to my to-do list for any additional edits for the Bearer spec.
>>>
>>>                                 -- Mike
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:oauth-bounces@ietf.org  [mailto:oauth-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Manger, James H
>>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:33 PM
>>> To: Brian Campbell; oauth
>>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] question about the b64token syntax in draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer
>>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>>> On casual reading of "The OAuth 2.0 Authorization Protocol: Bearer
>>>> Tokens"* I've encountered several people (including myself) who have
>>>> made the assumption that the name b64token implies that some kind of
>>>> base64 encoding/decoding on the access token is taking place between
>>>> the client and RS.
>>>>
>>>> Digging a bit deeper in to "HTTP/1.1, part 7: Authentication"**,
>>>> however, I see that b64token is just an ABNF syntax definition
>>>> allowing for characters typically used in base64, base64url, etc.. So
>>>> the b64token doesn't define any encoding or decoding but rather just
>>>> defines what characters can be used in the part of the Authorization
>>>> header that will contain the access token.
>>>>
>>>> Do I read this correctly?
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> If so, I feel like some additional clarifying text in the Bearer
>>>> Tokens draft might help avoid what is (based on my small sample) a
>>>> common point of misunderstanding.
>>> Changing the example bearer token should be a simple way to avoid some confusion by showing that it does not have to be base64 encoding. How about changing:
>>>   Authorization: Bearer vF9dft4qmT
>>> to
>>>   Authorization: Bearer vF9.dft4.qmT
>>>
>>> The Bearer spec has lots of (unnecessary) text about OAuth, but doesn't quite manage to be precise about how OAuth and Bearer connect. It could explicitly state that the string value of the "access_token" member of an access token response is the bearer token. The "access_token" string value (after unescaping any JSON-escapes) MUST match the b64token ABNF so it can be used with the Bearer HTTP scheme. Such text could be put in §5.1.1 where the "Bearer" OAuth access token type is defined.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Also, does the use of b64token implicitly limit the allowed characters
>>>> that an AS can use to construct a bearer access token?
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>
>>>> *http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-oauth-v2-bearer-17#section-2.1
>>>> **
>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p7-auth-18#section-2.1
>>> --
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