Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diffs from -10 to -12 of crypto-refresh
Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org> Wed, 18 October 2023 08:10 UTC
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From: Werner Koch <wk@gnupg.org>
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diffs from -10 to -12 of crypto-refresh
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Hi! It should not come to a surprise that I don't agree with that diff or the I-D at all. My reasons have been given multiple times and were not addressed in a substantial way. Neither were concerns from other members addressed. The new I-D has a high potential to destroy the repudiation of the OpenPGP protocol as a reliable and secure system with an advertence on backward compatibility and real world usage. Over the last couple of years the GnuPG and RNP implementations of OpenPGP have been deployed in highly critical environments and were often preferred over CMS/X.509 when it came to the replacement of symmetric encryption by public key encryption. Willfully destroying backward compatibility and adding extra complexity is not what such deployments need. Shalom-Salam, Werner -- The pioneers of a warless world are the youth that refuse military service. - A. Einstein
- [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diffs fr… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diff… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diff… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diff… Werner Koch
- Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diff… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diff… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diff… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diff… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diff… Kai Engert
- Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diff… Dominik Schürmann
- Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diff… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [openpgp] additional 1 week last call on diff… Paul Wouters