Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft
Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz> Sun, 06 June 2021 07:54 UTC
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From: Peter Gutmann <pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz>
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Subject: Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft
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Daniel Kahn Gillmor writes: >If folks really want to re-litigate it, Oh, I don't want to re-do the whole debate but was more thinking that the draft should provide a rationale for why -1 was dropped in favour of -256, both to explain to implementers and users who aren't on the mailing list what properties are and aren't required for fingerprints, and to provide guidance in the future when it's decided to move off -256 to something else. Peter.
- [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Daniel Huigens
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Michael Richardson
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Michael Richardson
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Nickolay Olshevsky
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Peter Pentchev
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Peter Pentchev
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Michael Richardson
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Paul Wouters
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Justus Winter
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Peter Gutmann
- Re: [openpgp] v5 in the crypto-refresh draft Daniel Kahn Gillmor