Re: [Openv6] APONF (Application-based Policy for Network Functions): new BOF for IETF 90 (requesting comments)

Hi Georgios,

On 08/06/2014 19:46, karagian@cs.utwente.nl wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> 
> Thanks for your comments!
> 
> Regarding the relation to openv6, please note that APONF can be used to support an operator on deploying and configuring (and dynamically reconfiguring) different IPv4/IPv6 transition solutions depending on the applied scenarios and the expected user experience.

Yes, that would be one application but I am still confused. I have seen no
other traffic on the openv6 list, so what are we doing here? Why isn't
this discussion on an APONF list, and where is the actual discussion
of openv6?

> Regarding the relation of APONF to UCAN, to my understanding, the UCAN BOF intends to expose several use cases that are focusing on Autonomic Networking (AN), i.e., self management.
> APONF is focusing not focusing on solving AN issues. Please note that the dynamic (re)configuration issues mentioned in the APONF BOF (pre-charter) are not associated with self-management.

Actually, any scenario that currently relies on a policy/management
function and some kind of automation is a possible use case for
autonomic networking. I don't see any of the actions involved in
APONF as being out of scope for AN. Application-based policy intent
would be considered as an input to the AN mechanisms, and the topics
that you have listed as "network management and traffic policies"
are exactly the type of objectives we would consider as targets
for autonomic negotiation between network elements.

The "the application-based policy protocol(s), mechanisms and models"
that you mention might be exactly what is needed to communicate
between applications and the AN policy mechanism.

If both BOFs are approved, we need to discuss in Toronto!

Regards,
   Brian

> 
> Best regards,
> Georgios
> 
> 
> ________________________________________
> Van: Brian E Carpenter [brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com]
> Verzonden: zaterdag 7 juni 2014 22:39
> Aan: Karagiannis, G. (EWI)
> CC: openv6@ietf.org
> Onderwerp: Re: [Openv6] APONF (Application-based Policy for Network Functions): new BOF for IETF 90 (requesting comments)
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can you explain the specific relationship between this BOF and IPv6?
> As far as I can see, it is 100% independent of the IP version (and that
> is a good thing).
> 
> By the way, the topic of autonomic configuration by negotiation
> between various network elements, which could include the elements
> involved in the APONF scenarios, is the subject of another BOF
> proposal, which also has no specific dependency on IPv6:
> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart#UCANproposal
> APONF might be an additional use case for UCAN.
> 
> Regards
>    Brian Carpenter
> 
> On 08/06/2014 06:01, karagian@cs.utwente.nl wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Please note that a request for a BOF associated with Openv6 has been requested for IETF 90.
>>
>> The name of this BOF is:
>>
>> APONF (Application-based Policy for Network Functions).
>>
>> The main goal of APONF is to specify the application-based policy protocol(s), mechanisms and models required by transport applications to easily, accurately, and efficiently select and use the available communication network capabilities, i.e., network management and/or traffic policies.
>>
>> For more details on APONF, please see:
>> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/#
>>
>> Please note that in association with this BOF two Internet drafts have been (up to now) submitted .
>> These drafts are:
>>
>> APONF problem statement:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-karagiannis-aponf-problem-statement-00.txt
>>
>> APONF architecture:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-zhou-aponf-architecture-00.txt
>>
>> Your comments on the APONF BOF, and on the Internet drafts listed above are very much appreciated!
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Georgios Karagiannis
>>
>>
>>
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