Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] Heads up
Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com> Tue, 09 November 2010 05:53 UTC
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From: Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com>
To: Cameron Byrne <cb.list6@gmail.com>, james woodyatt <jhw@apple.com>
Thread-Topic: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] Heads up
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Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] Heads up
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> -----Original Message----- > From: ops-area-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ops-area-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Cameron Byrne > Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 1:07 PM > To: james woodyatt > Cc: IPv6 Operations; opsawg@ietf.org; ops-area@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] Heads up > > On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:50 PM, james woodyatt <jhw@apple.com> wrote: > > On Nov 8, 2010, at 20:24 , Erik Kline wrote: > >> > >> Didn't Akira Nakagawa/KDDI present something like this a few meetings > ago? I can't recall clearly... > > > > It was in Chicago, if I recall correctly. At which point Tony Hain joked that we > should direct IANA to just turn over the entire remaining free pool for that use. > > > > Personally, I'd prefer to take Tony's suggestion as a serious proposal. A single > /8 isn't enough, is it? For NAT444 to be a really workable architecture, we've > got to give over enough addresses that service providers can handle at least a > hundred million subscriber addresses in the same address realm, right? > > I need at least 10x /8s to number my current network, and that does not > account for growth. > > Verizon Wireless uses 40+ instances of 10.0.0.0/8 > > Cameron The draft was http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-shirasaki-nat444-isp-shared-addr-04 This isn't specific to ISPs either, there's pain any time you're connected to multiple address domains. So another example would be the address space used by VPNs. If it conflicts with the address space of the location you're in, things break. So I had responded saying there's nothing particularly unique to ISPs here. If you give a space to ISPs be prepared to give one for other categories as well such as VPNs. And if I remember correctly, ARIN had already rejected the draft-shirasaki-nat444-isp-shared-addr request, so Chris Liljenstolpe writing another draft and asking ARIN would seem to be redundant. -Dave
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- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Erik Kline
- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… james woodyatt
- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Cameron Byrne
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- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for alloca… George, Wes E IV [NTK]
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- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Erik Kline
- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Tore Anderson
- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for alloca… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Mark Smith
- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
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- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] Heads up - Plea for alloca… David Conrad
- Re: [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] [v6ops] Heads up - Plea f… Brian E Carpenter
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- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
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- Re: [OPS-AREA] [OPSAWG] [v6ops] Heads up - Plea f… Sam Silvester
- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Christopher LILJENSTOLPE
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- Re: [OPS-AREA] [v6ops] [OPSAWG] Heads up - Plea f… Joel Jaeggli
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