Re: [OPSAWG] New Version Notification for draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng-02.txt

Guy Harris <gharris@sonic.net> Mon, 28 September 2020 20:41 UTC

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On Sep 28, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Michael Tuexen <tuexen@fh-muenster.de> wrote:

> On 28. Sep 2020, at 20:26, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
> 
>> internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>>> Diff:
>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng-02
>> 
>> Hi, I have converted the xml to markdown.
> 
> Why? If we want to publish this, it will be published in xmlv3. So
> better to use that format earlier...

There are tools to convert Markdown to v2 or v3 RFC XML:

	https://www.rfc-editor.org/pubprocess/tools/

so:

	1) is it easier to edit Markdown or RFC XML?

	2) is Markdown rich enough to do everything we want to do?

For 2), I note that

	https://github.com/pcapng/pcapng/blob/master/draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng.md

has a bunch of stuff that GitHub isn't treating as markup, such as the stuff prior to the "Introduction" heading, and the tags such as "{::boilerplate bcp14}".  Is that an extension of Markdown not supported by GitHub's Markdown renderer but supported by some Markdown-to-RFC XML converter, or incomplete parts of the RFC XML to Markdown conversion?

In addition, the XML version at

	https://github.com/pcapng/pcapng/blob/master/reference-draft-tuexen-opsawg-pcapng.xml

has some additional Decryption Secrets Block secret formats.  Those have data formats that *themselves* call for figures, and I'd been trying, at one point, to determine how to do that in RFC XML v2 format - it might require v3 format.  Can that be handled with Markdown?