Re: [OPSAWG] appeal on adoption of draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-00.txt as an opsawg topic

[Stefan Winter <[e-mail]>]

Hello,

> 30 November: 2015: Warren sent the following message to the opsawg: 
> (for some reason this message does not show up in the archive but a
> copy is 
> appended to this message)
>
>     The chairs believe that there is sufficient interest and support
> to adopt
>     this document as an OpsAWG document.  
>
>     Authors, please resubmit as draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-01

This appears to be factually incorrect. My mail folder for opsawg has no
mail on the day of 30 Nov 2015. Given that the mail headers contain lots
of SPF: fail verdicts, I also checked my spam folder. Nothing.

If the mail is not in the archive, maybe it actually didn't reach a
significant fraction of the subscribers?

In that case, it should not come as a surprise that some people feel
like this was conducted in a ... strange... manner.

I do see Warren's mail from 13 Nov BTW, and that one has no SPF fail
headers (at least for me, that one did not look like an adoption call so
it missed my brain filter; but that's just me).

Maybe others could check their archives to see what has or has not
arrived on the list.

I would also appreciate if the actual reason why the archive did not
get/reject the message. "For some reason" is a bit too unspecific to be
useful IMHO...

Greetings,

Stefan Winter

>
> 16 December 2015 - renamed ID published
>
>
> By asking the working group list for input on the question of adopting an
> ID as a working group document the opsawg chairs followed one of the
> normal IETF process to determine if there was enough interest for the
> working group to adopt the TACACS+ ID as a working group topic.  We note
> in passing that such another normal process is for the WG chairs to decide
> on their own to adopt a document as a working group topic.  We also felt
> that the topic was sufficiently within the working group charter to do so
> without a specific charter update.
>
> Thus Mr. DeKok's appeal as to the adoption of the ID as a working group
> topic is rejected. If Mr. DeKok believes that this does not satisfy his
> concerns, we refer him to RFC 2026, Section 6.5 for the next steps in the
> appeal process.
>
> Scott Bradner
> Warren Kumari
> 12 February 2016
>
>
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> Re: [OPSAWG] FW: New Version Notification for
> draft-dahm-opsawg-tacacs-01.txt
>
> Dear OpsAWG,
>
> The chairs believe that there is sufficient interest and support to
> adopt this document as an OpsAWG document.
>
> Authors, please resubmit as draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-01
>
> Working group: 
> We would like to see this document progress, and are hoping to WGLC it
> soon. Please review this and provide feedback....
>
> W
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 1:37 PM Warren Kumari <[e-mail]
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>
>     We would really appreciate any feedback on this document. Personally I
>     think it is really useful, but we need the WG to review and provide
>     feedback.
>
>     Over the years I've heard a number of people kvetch that TACACS+ isn't
>     documented -- well, now you can, you know, actually do something about
>     this...
>
>     W
>
>     On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Douglas Gash (dcmgash)
>     <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>     > Dear Opsawg List,
>     >
>     > We have uploaded a second revision of the TACACS+ protocol
>     specification
>     > which we believe is ready for publication subject subject to port
>     > allocation.
>     >
>     > Please see details below.
>     >
>     > The essential difference from the first revision is the change
>     of TLS
>     > option support using a separate port as opposed to the original
>     Start TLS
>     > mechanism.
>     >
>     > We would be very grateful for the opinion of the list regarding the
>     > suitability of document for publication as an RFC.
>     >
>     > Many thanks,
>     >
>     > Thorsten, Andrej, Doug.
>     >
>     >
>     > On 02/10/2015 16:25, "[e-mail]
>     <mailto:[e-mail]>" <[e-mail]
>     <mailto:[e-mail]>>
>     > wrote:
>     >
>     >>
>     >>A new version of I-D, draft-dahm-opsawg-tacacs-01.txt
>     >>has been successfully submitted by Douglas C. Medway Gash and
>     posted to
>     >>the
>     >>IETF repository.
>     >>
>     >>Name:          draft-dahm-opsawg-tacacs
>     >>Revision:      01
>     >>Title:         The TACACS+ Protocol
>     >>Document date: 2015-10-02
>     >>Group:         Individual Submission
>     >>Pages:         38
>     >>URL:
>     >>https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-dahm-opsawg-tacacs-01.txt
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_internet-2Ddrafts_draft-2Ddahm-2Dopsawg-2Dtacacs-2D01.txt&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=yqfP3H9W5MwHGwfujayvzw&m=d2zkbEKtM7zrJuQJ4PvYtvpZHG4hcvhucuhOb03y1AE&s=vyypsgLv4xU9ZRXKDc8Zkhvs5lCaHleFtGf5rjYk54w&e=>
>     >>Status:       
>      https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dahm-opsawg-tacacs/
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__datatracker.ietf.org_doc_draft-2Ddahm-2Dopsawg-2Dtacacs_&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=yqfP3H9W5MwHGwfujayvzw&m=d2zkbEKtM7zrJuQJ4PvYtvpZHG4hcvhucuhOb03y1AE&s=pi2uoSR8CEuAJVZ_4dGTcROLb8CBvXY0-Xu3Esl7ajI&e=>
>     >>Htmlized:     
>      https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dahm-opsawg-tacacs-01
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_html_draft-2Ddahm-2Dopsawg-2Dtacacs-2D01&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=yqfP3H9W5MwHGwfujayvzw&m=d2zkbEKtM7zrJuQJ4PvYtvpZHG4hcvhucuhOb03y1AE&s=Mzs24EJmK4LizQd9pZm60DGEU9VL8lPDu4g4M4seCNU&e=>
>     >>Diff:
>     >>https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-dahm-opsawg-tacacs-01
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ietf.org_rfcdiff-3Furl2-3Ddraft-2Ddahm-2Dopsawg-2Dtacacs-2D01&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=yqfP3H9W5MwHGwfujayvzw&m=d2zkbEKtM7zrJuQJ4PvYtvpZHG4hcvhucuhOb03y1AE&s=gzIvoARJGTdOsKUv-BGo6VrrLxiGpkldFxuGvErprD0&e=>
>     >>
>     >>Abstract:
>     >>   TACACS+ provides access control for routers, network access
>     servers
>     >>   and other networked computing devices via one or more centralized
>     >>   servers.  TACACS+ provides separate authentication,
>     authorization and
>     >>   accounting services.  This document describes the protocol
>     that is
>     >>   used by TACACS+.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
>     >>submission
>     >>until the htmlized version and diff are available
>     at tools.ietf.org
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tools.ietf.org&d=CwMFaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=yqfP3H9W5MwHGwfujayvzw&m=d2zkbEKtM7zrJuQJ4PvYtvpZHG4hcvhucuhOb03y1AE&s=jP3VYysdEEmDassAUrlny4_ZYb4Y69qiZyK4_P6O0pQ&e=>.
>     >>
>     >>The IETF Secretariat
>     >>
>     >
>
>
>
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>     idea in the first place.
>     This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
>     regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair
>     of pants.
>        ---maf
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