Re: [p2pi] Fwd: For those who think "User Fairness/Cost Fairness" isunacceptable...
"Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@cable.comcast.com> Mon, 09 June 2008 20:02 UTC
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Replies inline below. Sorry I am still catching up on all this email from the weekend. Jason ________________________________ From: p2pi-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:p2pi-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Robb Topolski All: I become increasingly frustrated by being the negative guy -- I'm an optimist. I do believe that Comcast made strides toward more transparency. But simply advertising that they interfere with some users does not excuse it (see RFC 1087). When so plainly asked to take a position, the IETF as an engineering body answer Comcast and reject non-Standards conforming behaviors. I was a bit thrown off by your RFC 1087 reference, "Ethics and the Internet" from 1989. Perhaps that RFC is somewhat geared towards a non-commercial past, when as it says, the Internet is a "national facility" used mostly by researchers. Can you advise your specific technical areas of concern, as it relates to this RFC (see below)? Network Working Group Internet Activities Board Request for Comments: 1087 January 1989 Ethics and the Internet Status of this Memo This memo is a statement of policy by the Internet Activities Board (IAB) concerning the proper use of the resources of the Internet. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. Introduction At great human and economic cost, resources drawn from the U.S. Government, industry and the academic community have been assembled into a collection of interconnected networks called the Internet. Begun as a vehicle for experimental network research in the mid- 1970's, the Internet has become an important national infrastructure supporting an increasingly widespread, multi-disciplinary community of researchers ranging, inter alia, from computer scientists and electrical engineers to mathematicians, physicists, medical researchers, chemists, astronomers and space scientists. As is true of other common infrastructures (e.g., roads, water reservoirs and delivery systems, and the power generation and distribution network), there is widespread dependence on the Internet by its users for the support of day-to-day research activities. The reliable operation of the Internet and the responsible use of its resources is of common interest and concern for its users, operators and sponsors. Recent events involving the hosts on the Internet and in similar network infrastructures underscore the need to reiterate the professional responsibility every Internet user bears to colleagues and to the sponsors of the system. Many of the Internet resources are provided by the U.S. Government. Abuse of the system thus becomes a Federal matter above and beyond simple professional ethics. IAB Statement of Policy The Internet is a national facility whose utility is largely a consequence of its wide availability and accessibility. Irresponsible use of this critical resource poses an enormous threat to its continued availability to the technical community. The U.S. Government sponsors of this system have a fiduciary responsibility to the public to allocate government resources wisely Internet Activities Board [Page 1] <http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1087#page-2> RFC 1087 <http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1087> Ethics and the Internet January 1989 and effectively. Justification for the support of this system suffers when highly disruptive abuses occur. Access to and use of the Internet is a privilege and should be treated as such by all users of this system. The IAB strongly endorses the view of the Division Advisory Panel of the National Science Foundation Division of Network, Communications Research and Infrastructure which, in paraphrase, characterized as unethical and unacceptable any activity which purposely: (a) seeks to gain unauthorized access to the resources of the Internet, (b) disrupts the intended use of the Internet, (c) wastes resources (people, capacity, computer) through such actions, (d) destroys the integrity of computer-based information, and/or (e) compromises the privacy of users. The Internet exists in the general research milieu. Portions of it continue to be used to support research and experimentation on networking. Because experimentation on the Internet has the potential to affect all of its components and users, researchers have the responsibility to exercise great caution in the conduct of their work. Negligence in the conduct of Internet-wide experiments is both irresponsible and unacceptable. The IAB plans to take whatever actions it can, in concert with Federal agencies and other interested parties, to identify and to set up technical and procedural mechanisms to make the Internet more resistant to disruption. Such security, however, may be extremely expensive and may be counterproductive if it inhibits the free flow of information which makes the Internet so valuable. In the final analysis, the health and well-being of the Internet is the responsibility of its users who must, uniformly, guard against abuses which disrupt the system and threaten its long-term viability. Internet Activities Board [Page 2] -- Robb Topolski (robb@funchords.com) Hillsboro, Oregon USA http://www.funchords.com/
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- [p2pi] For those who think "User Fairness/Cost Fa… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] For those who think "User Fairness/Cos… Robb Topolski
- [p2pi] Fwd: For those who think "User Fairness/Co… Robb Topolski
- Re: [p2pi] For those who think "User Fairness/Cos… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [p2pi] Fwd: For those who think "User Fairnes… Nicholas Weaver
- Re: [p2pi] For those who think "User Fairness/Cos… Robb Topolski
- Re: [p2pi] Fwd: For those who think "User Fairnes… Robb Topolski
- Re: [p2pi] For those who think "User Fairness/Cos… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [p2pi] For those who think "User Fairness/Cos… Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] For those who think "User Fairness/Cos… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [p2pi] For those who think "User Fairness/Cos… Stanislav Shalunov
- Re: [p2pi] Fwd: For those who think "User Fairnes… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [p2pi] Fwd: For those who think "User Fairnes… Livingood, Jason
- Re: [p2pi] Fwd: For those who think "User Fairnes… Robb Topolski
- Re: [p2pi] Fwd: For those who think "User Fairnes… Robb Topolski
- Re: [p2pi] Fwd: For those who think "User Fairnes… Robb Topolski
- Re: [p2pi] Fwd: For those who think "User Fairnes… Richard Bennett
- Re: [p2pi] Fwd: For those who think "User Fairnes… Peterson, Jon