Re: [payload] Request to Last Call draft-ietf-vp8-payload
"Roni Even" <ron.even.tlv@gmail.com> Tue, 27 May 2014 08:14 UTC
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From: Roni Even <ron.even.tlv@gmail.com>
To: 'Harald Alvestrand' <harald@alvestrand.no>, payload@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [payload] Request to Last Call draft-ietf-vp8-payload
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Hi, I sent an email to the list asking for feedback on the maximum receive resolution. Regardless I will start a WGLC next week and have this issue as one that need to be concluded ASAP Roni Even Payload co-chair From: payload [mailto:payload-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Harald Alvestrand Sent: 27 May, 2014 10:07 AM To: payload@ietf.org Subject: [payload] Request to Last Call draft-ietf-vp8-payload Given that another week has gone by with zero feedback on draft-nandakumar-payload-sdp-max-video-resolution on this list, I hereby ask the chairs to consider an IETF Last Call for draft-ietf-payload-vp8 without any link to this draft. The interest shown by the community in pursuing such a linkage is not indicative of an IETF consensus for a linkage. Harald On 05/20/2014 05:21 PM, Harald Alvestrand wrote: Just a reminder, since Cullen reminded me that this issue has languished: I have seen no response to my February 6 message raising specific issues about max-video-resolution (reproduced below). I have seen no update to max-video-resolution based on the discussion in London. I have seen no action from the chairs to either adopt or reject this work item. As far as I can tell, nothing is happening. If there is no interest in pursuing this work, can we declare that it is not an IETF work item and stop blocking other things on it? Harald On 02/06/2014 07:21 PM, Harald Alvestrand wrote: On 02/01/2014 02:51 AM, Suhas Nandakumar wrote: Hello All Following draft has been submitted to specify payload format parameters indicating an end-point's maximum image resolution receive capability in SDP. This draft aims at solving the issue with specifying such functionality for VP8 and is also applicable to other codecs in general. Thank you for finally posting this to the payload list! (The date of the draft is Dec 7 - I've been waiting for the proponents to make a public statement about it). My biggest worry with this particular proposal is that it modifies the way a=fmtp is specified. As far as I understand, the syntax of a=fmtp has previously been assumed to be specified completely by the payload specification (viz the rather non-orthogonal stuff that is in the DTMF payload). This specification proposes to add new parameters into a=fmtp that are applicable to any payload. This seems like a doubtful architectural decision. I think it would be cleaner to add a new a= attribute that is independent of codec (but linked to payload type) containing the information. I also have a nit with the way offer/answer is specified: ..... When the direction is sendonly, these attributes have no interpretation and MUST be ignored by the receiving Endpoint, if present. ...... An SDP Answerer MUST NOT include these parameters in the SDP Answer unless they are specified in the associated SDP Offer. If taken literally, an SDP answerer wishing to state its limitations on an a=sendonly M-line would not have the option to do so. Also, it's not clear what values would be appropriate if the values were meaningless. My suggestion would be to say that the SDP Offerer should include max-recv-widht=? and max-recv-height=? in the SDP, to indicate that it understands the parameters, but has no meaningful values to supply. Note: I see absolutely no reason to link this functionality, if desirable, to the RTP format for VP8. If it needs mandating, it should be mandated for all video types going forward, including H.265, and strongly recommended for all video types that have been standardized in the past. If it doesn't need mandating, it doesn't need mandating for anyone. URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-nandakumar-payload-sdp-max-video-r esolution-00.txt Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-nandakumar-payload-sdp-max-video-resolution -00 Looking forward for the inputs on how do we take his work ahead. Thanks Suhas Nandakumar _______________________________________________ payload mailing list payload@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload -- Surveillance is pervasive. Go Dark. _______________________________________________ payload mailing list payload@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload -- Surveillance is pervasive. Go Dark. _______________________________________________ payload mailing list payload@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/payload
- [payload] New Version Notification for draft-nand… Suhas Nandakumar
- Re: [payload] New Version Notification for draft-… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [payload] New Version Notification for draft-… Harald Alvestrand
- [payload] Request to Last Call draft-ietf-vp8-pay… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [payload] Request to Last Call draft-ietf-vp8… Roni Even