Re: [Pce] Experimental Codepoints allocation in PCEP registry

Hi Adrian,

8 sounds like a good number.

Cheers,
Jeff

On 6/16/16, 9:25 AM, "Pce on behalf of Dhruv Dhody" <pce-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of dhruv.dhody@huawei.com> wrote:

>Hi Adrian,
>
>> How would you all feel about 8? (My instinct is to push for 4, but I can
>> pre-emptively compromise :-)
>
>I can work with 8 :)
>
>Regards,
>Dhruv
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk]
>> Sent: 15 June 2016 23:52
>> To: Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.dhody@huawei.com>; 'Ramon Casellas'
>> <ramon.casellas@cttc.es>; pce@ietf.org
>> Subject: RE: [Pce] Experimental Codepoint allocation in PCEP registry
>> 
>> To Ramon's point...
>> 
>> > We do need to reach a consensus on what range to set aside.
>> 
>> Yes, we do. Both to satisfy ourselves and to get past the current IESG (not
>> the one that approved the MANET registry).
>> 
>> I think you captured the essence. There should be enough code points to run
>> the parallel experiments that need to be run together, but not so many that
>> experiments that don't need to be run at the same time can grab values and
>> expect to keep them. Essentially, before running an experiment all
>> participants should get together to agree what values to use, and then when
>> the experiment is over they should consider the values to have no meaning
>> (until the next and completely different experiment).
>> 
>> As far as I can see, 30 messages looks like a complete orgy of experimentation!
>> Four times more active experimentation in one experimental network than in
>> the whole of the standardised and soon-to-be standardised history of PCEP.
>> 
>> How would you all feel about 8? (My instinct is to push for 4, but I can
>> pre-emptively compromise :-)
>> 
>> Adrian
>> 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dhruv Dhody
>> > Sent: 10 June 2016 11:03
>> > To: Ramon Casellas; pce@ietf.org
>> > Subject: Re: [Pce] Experimental Codepoint allocation in PCEP registry
>> >
>> > Hi Ramon,
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Pce [mailto:pce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ramon Casellas
>> > > Sent: 10 June 2016 14:42
>> > > To: pce@ietf.org
>> > > Subject: Re: [Pce] Experimental Codepoint allocation in PCEP
>> > > registry
>> > >
>> > > Hi Dhruv, Jeff, all
>> > >
>> > > Indeed. Having been involved in PCE-related experimental and
>> > > research activities I would welcome this and could be very helpful.
>> > > It will not solve the issues but at least it defines the ranges.
>> > >
>> > > I can't provide much feedback, just curious about the rationale to
>> > > allocate a given range e.g. 224-255 > 30 messages, etc.
>> >
>> > [Dhruv] You hit the jackpot.... we wanted to get the feedback of the
>> > WG about this.
>> >
>> > IMHO we need to strike a right balance that there are enough
>> > codepoints set aside for multiple parallel experimentations at a given
>> > time, and not to give
>> up a
>> > big chunk out for experimentation that it hinders IANA allocation.
>> >
>> > We currently have 9 messages set by IANA, some 4 new messages in queue
>> > to be sent to IANA, 13/255 ... so we do not have to worry about
>> > running out any time soon :)
>> >
>> > BTW I could find one instance in MANET where a similar range is
>> > allocated -
>> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5444#section-6.2
>> >
>> > We do need to reach a consensus on what range to set aside.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Dhruv
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Best regards
>> > > Ramon
>> > >
>> > > On 10/06/2016 11:00, Jeff Tantsura wrote:
>> > > > Hi Dhruv,
>> > > >
>> > > > Support, very much needed!
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > Jeff
>> > > >
>> > > > On 6/9/16, 5:09 AM, "Pce on behalf of Dhruv Dhody"
>> > > > <pce-bounces@ietf.org
>> > > on behalf of dhruv.dhody@huawei.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Hi WG,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> In PCE IANA registry [http://www.iana.org/assignments/pcep] we do
>> > > >> not
>> > > have any codepoints for experimental usage. As we work on some new
>> > experiments
>> > > with PCEP (sometimes in open source platform), it would be wise to
>> > > use experimental codepoints to avoid any conflict. For this purpose
>> > > we have written a small draft to carve out some codepoints for
>> > > experimental usage for PCEP messages, objects and TLVs.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dhody-pce-pcep-exp-codepoints-0
>> > > >> 0
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Please provide your feedback.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thanks,
>> > > >> Dhruv & Daniel
>> > > >>
>> > > >> -----
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Name:           draft-dhody-pce-pcep-exp-codepoints
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