Re: [Pce] Query on Usage of LSP Identifier TLV in SR

Hi,

Recent discussion started by Cyril and Stephane on PCE-SR draft reminded me
that this issue is also still open -

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/pce/XLxa7lrHtabXukzvJUWZCCwUROE

or see below...

Thanks!
Dhruv

On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi WG,
>
> During the IETF-95, I discussed this open point in PCEP-SR draft with Jeff
> and Jon and also pointed out that the generic TE-Yang is using 5 tuple as a
> key in LSP-state information.
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-03#section-3.4
>
>    module: ietf-te
>       +--rw te!
>          +--ro lsps-state
>          |  +--ro lsp*
>          [source destination tunnel-id lsp-id extended-tunnel-id type]
>          |     +--ro source                    inet:ip-address
>          |     +--ro destination               inet:ip-address
>          |     +--ro tunnel-id                 uint16
>          |     +--ro lsp-id                    uint16
>          |     +--ro extended-tunnel-id        inet:ip-address
>          |     +--ro type                      identityref
>
>
> 
>
>      
> ....t
> he RSVP-TE [RFC3209 <https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3209>] YANG model augmentation of the TE
>    model is covered in [I-D.ietf-teas-yang-rsvp <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-03#ref-I-D.ietf-teas-yang-rsvp>], and other signaling
>
>    protocol model(s) (e.g. for Segment-Routing TE) are expected to also
>    augment the TE generic model.
>
>
> I could see benefit in having this information for SR-TE LSP (and have an
> LSP Identifier TLV) in PCEP messages.
>
>
> What does the authors of the drafts (SR, Yang..) and the WG think about
> it?
>
> Regards,
> Dhruv
>
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.dhody@huawei.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>>
>>
>> [PCEP-SR] did not change the format of the stateful PCE messages (i.e.
>> RBNF of PCRpt/PCUpd); and [STATEFUL-PCE] does not have END-POINTS object in
>> those messages.
>>
>> Only PCInitiate message [PCE-INITIATE] has END-POINTS object.
>>
>>
>>
>> In the implementations I am aware of, LSP Identifiers TLV is carried in
>> PCEP-SR.
>>
>> One way to find middle ground would be, to make LSP Identifiers TLV as
>> optional for PCEP-SR, with a use-case during delegation of a PCC configured
>> LSP via PCRpt message.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dhruv
>>
>> [PCEP-SR] https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-pce-segment-
>> routing-06.txt
>>
>> [STATEFUL-PCE] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-13
>>
>> [PCE-INITIATE] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-pce-pce-initiated-
>> lsp-05
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jeff Tantsura [mailto:jeff.tantsura@ericsson.com]
>> *Sent:* 12 February 2016 06:42
>> *To:* Robert Varga; Dhruv Dhody; draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing@ietf.org;
>> draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce@tools.ietf.org
>> *Cc:* pce@ietf.org; pce-chairs@tools.ietf.org
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Pce] Query on Usage of LSP Identifier TLV in SR
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>>
>>
>> I disagree with you, I don’t think we need RSVP-TE semantics here, in the
>> implementations I'm aware of LSP Identifiers TLV is not used.
>>
>> END-POINTS object is used to identify the tunnel endpoint addresses.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do agree that SR draft should be clear about this and we will update it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Robert Varga <nite@hq.sk>
>> *Date: *Thursday, October 22, 2015 at 04:29
>> *To: *Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.dhody@huawei.com>, "draft-ietf-pce-segment-
>> routing@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-pce-segment-routing@ietf.org>, "
>> draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce@tools.ietf.org" <draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce@
>> tools.ietf.org>
>> *Cc: *"pce@ietf.org" <pce@ietf.org>, "pce-chairs@tools.ietf.org" <
>> pce-chairs@tools.ietf.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Pce] Query on Usage of LSP Identifier TLV in SR
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/12/2015 07:58 AM, Dhruv Dhody wrote:
>>
>> Hi Authors,
>>
>>
>>
>> In the stateful PCE draft [1], it says –
>>
>> The LSP Identifiers TLV MUST be included in the LSP object in PCRpt
>>
>> messages for RSVP-signaled LSPs.
>>
>>
>>
>> The SR draft [2] did not mention anything about LSP Identifier TLV.
>>
>> And in implementations that I am aware of, SR-TE LSP still uses the
>> LSP-Identifier TLV. Is that correct? (I personally think so!!)
>>
>>
>>
>> If yes, do you think there is a need to update –
>>
>> -      [1] to say all LSPs (and not just RSVP-signaled).
>>
>> -      Or [2] to say that LSP-Identifier TLV are also applicable to SR
>> and MUST be included.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The wording in stateful draft is meant to proscribe behavior for RSVP (as
>> that is what RFC5440 assumes), while allowing different setup mechanisms (
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pce-lsp-setup-type/) specify
>> their own LSP identifier format.
>>
>> In this spirit I think the SR draft should be updated to explicitly state
>> that SR reuses the same identifier format as RSVP (or whatever is
>> appropriate).
>>
>> Bye,
>> Robert
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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