Re: [pcp] Comments on draft-ietf-pcp-optimize-keepalives-00
"Reinaldo Penno (repenno)" <repenno@cisco.com> Mon, 02 December 2013 10:32 UTC
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From: "Reinaldo Penno (repenno)" <repenno@cisco.com>
To: "Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy)" <tireddy@cisco.com>, "Prashanth Patil (praspati)" <praspati@cisco.com>, "pcp@ietf.org" <pcp@ietf.org>
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Thanks, looking forward to the new version From: "Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy)" <tireddy@cisco.com<mailto:tireddy@cisco.com>> Date: Monday, December 2, 2013 at 1:55 AM To: "Prashanth Patil (praspati)" <praspati@cisco.com<mailto:praspati@cisco.com>>, Cisco Employee <repenno@cisco.com<mailto:repenno@cisco.com>>, "pcp@ietf.org<mailto:pcp@ietf.org>" <pcp@ietf.org<mailto:pcp@ietf.org>> Subject: RE: [pcp] Comments on draft-ietf-pcp-optimize-keepalives-00 Hi Reinaldo, Responding to your comments in the pdf Comment1> The application keepalive would keep the state alive in the FW/NAT as well, right ? This sentence seems out of place here. Reply1> No. The time interval to send keepalives for maintaining state on the Application Server could be greater than FW/NAT mapping lifetime. In this case application keepalives will not maintain the FW/NAT mappings. For example in case where application keepalive interval every 60 minutes is required whereas FW/NAT keepalive interval is 30 minutes. Comment2> I believe this section should have an introduction and two sub-sections. One sub¬section should be called “PCP based detection” and have the first paragraph part of it since it only talks about PCP based detection. The second sub¬section should talk about application based detection. Reply2> Agreed, updated the draft. Comment3> Then the title of this section needs to change to “NAT Topologies and Detection” Reply3> Yes, changed the title. Comment4> Suggest to change title to “Detection of..”. But more generally, I wonder if this discussion of detection belongs in this draft. Can this section be removed ? Reply4> Yes, changed the title. In the previous WG discussions there was specific ask to add this section explaining the "Detection of PCP Unaware Firewalls". Comment5> Needs RFC reference Reply4> RFC reference is already provided Comment 6>It will insert if it supports this experimental RFC, if it has another IP address, etc. I believe some more clarification is needed. Reply6> Agreed, updated the text. Comment 7> Application layer protocols ? Reply7> Yes Comment 8> This is all STUN, why this is in this draft ? Reply8> In the previous WG discussions there was specific ask from Dave to add this section and explain the Keepalive Interval determination procedure when PCP unaware Firewall or NAT is detected. -Tiru. From: Prashanth Patil (praspati) Sent: Monday, October 21, 2013 3:51 AM To: Reinaldo Penno (repenno); pcp@ietf.org<mailto:pcp@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [pcp] Comments on draft-ietf-pcp-optimize-keepalives-00 Hi Reinaldo, Sections "3.3 Detect PCP Unaware Firewall" and "4. Keepalive Interval Determination Procedure when PCP unaware Firewall or NAT is detected" were added based on Dave's recommendation. Section 3.3 does not introduce anything new, it only provides an example on how a PCP unaware firewall can be detected using STUN. Section 4 is also a recommendation on what can be potentially done if a PCP unaware firewall was detected. Dave, what are your thoughts on this? -Prashanth On 11/10/13 4:45 PM, "Reinaldo Penno (repenno)" <repenno@cisco.com<mailto:repenno@cisco.com>> wrote: I reviewed this draft for a possible WGLC but I do not think it is ready. My summary is that this draft has lots of text related to detection of PCP unaware NAT/FW using STUN which IMO belong in a separate draft, or some other document since it is generic text. Maybe the WG sees value in having a separate document that talks exclusively about detection of PCP unaware FWs. This draft could just say "assuming all NAT/FW in the path are PCP aware..." and take it from there since the goal is optimizing keep-alive and not standardizing detection mechanisms. Removing all detection text would make this draft quite short and easier to understand its purpose. Thanks, Reinaldo
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- [pcp] Comments on draft-ietf-pcp-optimize-keepali… Reinaldo Penno (repenno)
- Re: [pcp] Comments on draft-ietf-pcp-optimize-kee… Prashanth Patil (praspati)
- Re: [pcp] Comments on draft-ietf-pcp-optimize-kee… Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy)
- Re: [pcp] Comments on draft-ietf-pcp-optimize-kee… Reinaldo Penno (repenno)