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Re: [perpass] A reminder, the Network is the Enemy...

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Thu, 05 December 2013 15:19 UTC

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> If we assume the attacker can get the private root KSK from an US-based
> corp, then we should also assume they can get the private root ZSK from
> another US-based corp. As the owner of the root ZSK also owns the keys
> for .com, the attack becomes much easier.

let's start a list of juristictions which we believe are NOT compromised
and dangerous.  i will start it off by submitting andorra.

randy

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