Re: [perpass] "Guide to intranet protection"?

Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> Thu, 28 November 2013 06:08 UTC

Return-Path: <randy@psg.com>
X-Original-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: perpass@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDBB51AE0ED for <perpass@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:08:45 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.901
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LiqeYlE1uDyf for <perpass@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:08:44 -0800 (PST)
Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACB01AE10B for <perpass@ietf.org>; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:08:44 -0800 (PST)
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.psg.com.psg.com) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from <randy@psg.com>) id 1VlumE-0008Bf-CT; Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:08:39 +0000
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:08:37 +0800
Message-ID: <m2d2llgisa.wl%randy@psg.com>
From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
To: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
In-Reply-To: <027a01ceebfb$df99f290$9ecdd7b0$@huitema.net>
References: <5295FC4F.7060309@dcrocker.net> <5295FDE8.5000402@cs.tcd.ie> <m2mwkpgpi0.wl%randy@psg.com> <5296C8CC.2060508@dcrocker.net> <027a01ceebfb$df99f290$9ecdd7b0$@huitema.net>
User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/22.3 Mule/5.0 (SAKAKI)
MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.7 - "Harue")
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Cc: 'perpass' <perpass@ietf.org>, dcrocker@bbiw.net
Subject: Re: [perpass] "Guide to intranet protection"?
X-BeenThere: perpass@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: "The perpass list is for IETF discussion of pervasive monitoring. " <perpass.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/perpass>, <mailto:perpass-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/perpass/>
List-Post: <mailto:perpass@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:perpass-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/perpass>, <mailto:perpass-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 06:08:46 -0000

> Randy is quite right.

has to happen occasionally

> The attacks reported in the news article were against the private
> optical fibers linking the geographically distributed data centers of
> large companies like Google or Yahoo. A discussion about that should
> start with the folks in charge of securing these data centers at
> Google, Yahoo, Facebook, Microsoft, et cetera. I can see some
> difficulties, because a fair bit of the data centers architectures is
> probably treated as trade secret. And I am really not sure that the
> IETF is the best place to conduct such discussions.

we had/have the same oroblem with datacenter* wgs.  the folk who really
do it think of it as secret sauce.  so it becomes the vendors trying to
sell solutions to problems they don't understand.  hell, i don't even
know iij datacentr technology to any depth.

randy