Re: [pim] Last Call: <draft-ietf-pim-rfc4601bis-03.txt> (Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode (PIM-SM): Protocol Specification (Revised)) to Internet Standard

[Alia Atlas <[e-mail]>]

Excellent - thanks!

On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:54 PM, Rishabh Parekh <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Alia,
>
> Thanks for the guidance. If I understand the A, B, Cs correctly, we
> don't need to refer to 5796 in the draft. In that case I believe that
> draft version 4 addresses all the comments received so far.
>
> -Rishabh
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Alia Atlas <[e-mail]> wrote:
> > Hi Stig,
> >
> > Sorry for the delay in responding.  I was getting advice :-)
> >
> > If A obsoletes B and C updates B, then other than rolling C into A,
> there is
> > nothing to do for A.  That C updates A should be automatic inheritance.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Alia
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:35 PM, Stig Venaas <[e-mail]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> On 2/27/2015 11:10 AM, Alia Atlas wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Bill,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for the good review and catches!
> >>> I'd like to see the draft updated before March 5 so that it can still
> >>> make the telechat on March 12.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm not sure it is appropriate to update the document referencing those
> >> more recent standards track document though. We are progressing 4601bis
> >> on the standards track here. Should we as part of that have references
> >> to less mature documents? Those other documents are updating 4601 I
> >> believe which is fine. But that doesn't necessarily mean that 4601bis
> >> should reference them.
> >>
> >> Looking for guidance here Alia. My thinking is that 4601bis shouldn't
> >> change anything from 4601, only leave certain things out.
> >>
> >> Stig
> >>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Alia
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:04 PM, William Atwood
> >>> <[e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     In the following, I will refer to draft-ietf-pim-4601bis as simply
> >>>     "4601bis".
> >>>
> >>>     RFC 4601 has been updated by several RFCs:
> >>>
> >>>     RFC 5059 Bootstrap Router (BSR) Mechanism for Protocol
> >>>               Independent Multicast (PIM)
> >>>     RFC 5796 Authentication and Confidentiality in Protocol
> >>>               Independent Multicast Sparse Mode (PIM-SM)
> >>>               Link-Local Messages
> >>>     RFC 6226 PIM Group-to-Rendezvous-Point Mapping
> >>>
> >>>     4601bis refers to RFC 5059 in Section 3.7.  The new text is
> identical
> >>> to
> >>>     the text in RFC 4601, although the reference in RFC 4601 is to the
> >>>     Internet Draft that became RFC 5059.
> >>>
> >>>     4601bis makes no reference to RFC 5796.  Given that RFC 5796 alters
> >>> the
> >>>     preferred IPsec solution (AH is "recommended" in RFC 4601, while
> RFC
> >>>     5796 says that implementations "MUST support ESP and MAY support
> >>> AH"),
> >>>     and given that RFC 5796 provides considerable detail on the use of
> >>> IPsec
> >>>     to protect link-local messages for PIM-SM, RFC 5796 should be
> >>>     specifically referenced in Section 6.3 of 4601bis.
> >>>
> >>>     4601bis makes no reference to RFC 6226.  Given that RFC 6226 alters
> >>> the
> >>>     algorithm for determining the Rendezvous Point, RFC 6226 should be
> >>>     specifically mentioned in Section 3.7 of 4601bis.  The authors
> should
> >>>     also consider whether to eliminate Section 4.7.1 and replace it
> with
> >>> a
> >>>     pointer to RFC 6226, to reduce it and add a pointer to RFC 6226, or
> >>> to
> >>>     leave it unchanged.
> >>>
> >>>     Suggested text for some of these changes has been supplied to the
> >>>     authors of 4601bis.
> >>>
> >>>        Bill Atwood
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     On 13/02/2015 12:42 PM, The IESG wrote:
> >>>      >
> >>>      > The IESG has received a request from the Protocol Independent
> >>>     Multicast
> >>>      > WG (pim) to consider the following document:
> >>>      > - 'Protocol Independent Multicast - Sparse Mode (PIM-SM):
> Protocol
> >>>      >    Specification (Revised)'
> >>>      >   <draft-ietf-pim-rfc4601bis-03.txt> as Internet Standard
> >>>      >
> >>>      > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and
> >>> solicits
> >>>      > final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments
> >>>     to the
> >>>      > [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> mailing lists by
> 2015-02-27.
> >>>     Exceptionally, comments may be
> >>>      > sent to [e-mail] <mailto:[e-mail]> instead. In either
> >>>     case, please retain the
> >>>      > beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
> >>>      >
> >>>      > Abstract
> >>>      >
> >>>      >
> >>>      >    This document specifies Protocol Independent Multicast -
> >>>     Sparse Mode
> >>>      >    (PIM-SM).  PIM-SM is a multicast routing protocol that can
> use
> >>> the
> >>>      >    underlying unicast routing information base or a separate
> >>>     multicast-
> >>>      >    capable routing information base.  It builds unidirectional
> >>> shared
> >>>      >    trees rooted at a Rendezvous Point (RP) per group, and
> >>> optionally
> >>>      >    creates shortest-path trees per source.
> >>>      >
> >>>      >    This document addresses errata filed against RFC 4601, and
> >>> removes
> >>>      >    the optional (*,*,RP) feature that lacks sufficient
> deployment
> >>>      >    experience.
> >>>      >
> >>>      >
> >>>      >
> >>>      >
> >>>      > The file can be obtained via
> >>>      > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pim-rfc4601bis/
> >>>      >
> >>>      > IESG discussion can be tracked via
> >>>      >
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-pim-rfc4601bis/ballot/
> >>>      >
> >>>      >
> >>>      > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.
> >>>      >
> >>>      >
> >>>
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