Re: [pim] draft-ietf-pim-igmp-mld-snooping etc etc -00 (t petch)

Hongji Zhao <hongji.zhao@ericsson.com> Fri, 17 June 2022 06:57 UTC

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Subject: Re: [pim] draft-ietf-pim-igmp-mld-snooping etc etc -00 (t petch)
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Hi Tom,

Thanks a lot for your comments. Please check inline.

BR/Hongji

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Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 11:59:10 +0100
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Subject: [pim] draft-ietf-pim-igmp-mld-snooping etc etc -00
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The authors of this I-D do seem to like loooonnnnngg names.  In my text version, the running footing cannot fit in the constraints of line length for an RFC; abbreviating would be good.
[Authors] We will check and change them.  

In a similar vein
grouping static-l2vpn-mrouter-interface-ac-pw-igmp-mld-snooping
breaks the rules for identifiers in my book; ditto grouping dynamic-l2vpn-mrouter-interface-ac-pw-igmp-mld-snooping
An identifier should be an identifier, not a statement of all the semantics thereof IMHO.  Likewise grouping l2vpn-outgoing-ac-pw-igmp-mld-snooping
[Authors] What about static-l2vpn-mrouter-interface-ac-pw and dynamic-l2vpn-mrouter-interface-ac-pw ?

ims-l2vpn could be a lot worse (as in other WG I-D!) but I think it better if shorter. Is vpn enough or do you expect to have I-D for the many other flavours of vpn?  On the other hand, we already have l2vpn-svc, l2vpn-ntw so should this be l2vpn-ims?  And as below, others subvide l2vpn into multiple types - is that a consideration here?
[Authors] What about l2vpn-ims?

I imagine that BRIGDE BRIGE and BRIDGE all refer to the same concept but a reference would be nice so I can learn what it is.
[Authors] They are wrong spellings, and we will correct them.

Likewise, l2vpn; do you mean the OPSAWG flavour thereof or the BESS (or the IEEE, MEF, ...)?
[Authors] The l2vpn is defined in BESS.

s.3.3 l2vpn:l2vpn[RFC8529]
l2vpn is not registered in RFC8529; I see no registration for l2vpn on IANA (yet).
[Authors] RFC8529 will be changed into draft-ietf-bess-l2vpn-yang. 

WG Web should be https://protect2.fireeye.com/v1/url?k=31323334-501d5122-313273af-454445555731-7a34456acbaefb3b&q=1&e=4a78928e-92b8-40bb-9ab2-bf85e35ba00e&u=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker%2F...
[Authors] Accepted

Likewise l2-service type; most other authors divide up l2vpn by type; is that relevant here?
[Authors] There is no need to divide l2vpn by type.  IGMP & MLD snooping over l2vpn cares about which one is ac, which one is pw. 

Tom Petch



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