Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal for more secure TLS
Adam Langley <agl@google.com> Mon, 19 December 2011 15:23 UTC
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Subject: Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal for more secure TLS
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Rob Stradling
<rob.stradling@comodo.com> wrote:
> But as for discouraging incorrectly encoded certificates: if just one major TLS
> Client rejected Adam's "terrible thing" signature algorithm parameters hack,
> then I'd imagine this would provide sufficient incentive for Adam to abandon the
> idea.
That's pretty much true - our tolerance for breaking things is pretty limited.
As a browser, we're in largely the same situation as the CAs ("there's
no point in taking a hard line because users will just move to a
different browser.") None the less, we do try to win small victories
where we can, and we take a fair amount of flack for it. (We banned
EDH parameters < 512 bits rather than work around it. We're pushing
1/n-1 record splitting before Firefox and IE, and thus taking a lot of
the heat. We're banning MD2/4/5 in certificate chains. We're banning
RSA keys < 1024 bits.)
But a way to include extra data in a certificate chain is valuable,
and not just for us (i.e.
https://github.com/moxie0/Convergence/wiki/TACK) We'll take it if we
can, even if it means having to pinch our noses.
Cheers
AGL
- [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal for m… =JeffH
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Miller, Timothy J.
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Miller, Timothy J.
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Ben Laurie
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Ben Laurie
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Miller, Timothy J.
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Ben Laurie
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Miller, Timothy J.
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Miller, Timothy J.
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Miller, Timothy J.
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Carl Wallace
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Miller, Timothy J.
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Carl Wallace
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Miller, Timothy J.
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Miller, Timothy J.
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Martin Rex
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Ben Laurie
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Martin Rex
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Martin Rex
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Polk, William T.
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Ben Laurie
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Ben Laurie
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Ben Laurie
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Ben Laurie
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Ben Laurie
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Martin Rex
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Martin Rex
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Manger, James H
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Martin Rex
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Stephen Kent
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Stephen Kent
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Rob Stradling
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Adam Langley
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Stephen Kent
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Kemp, David P.
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Martin Rex
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Ben Laurie
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Michael StJohns
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Michael StJohns
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Martin Rex
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Santosh Chokhani
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Tom Ritter
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Santosh Chokhani
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [pkix] fyi: Sovereign Keys: an EFF proposal f… Yoav Nir