Re: [PWE3] Is VCCV LSP Ping to test only MPLS PWs over MPLS PSN ?

Carlos and all,
I agree this clarification is necessary. We already have deployed implementation using LSP Ping CV type for PW over GRE tunnels.

Mustapha.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Pignataro <cpignata@cisco.com>
To: Sasha Vainshtein <Sasha@AXERRA.com>
Cc: Raman Rangaswamy <ramanrs@hcl.in>; pwe3@ietf.org <pwe3@ietf.org>; Vijayanand C - TLS,Chennai. <vijayc@hcl.in>; Mark Townsley <townsley@cisco.com>
Sent: Wed Nov 28 08:12:56 2007
Subject: Re: [PWE3] Is VCCV LSP Ping to test only MPLS PWs over MPLS PSN ?

Hi Sasha,

VCCV is now in AUTH48, so timing couldn't be better :) I'll send in this
change to the RFC Editor (I believe it's an editorial, to clarify/narrow
the example's wording), but I'll wait a bit in case there's other comments.
Thank you, and thanks Raman for finding this room for improvement :)

--Carlos.

On 11/28/2007 8:56 AM, Sasha Vainshtein said the following:
> Carlos and all,
> Adding Mark (as the shepherding AD) to the CC list.
>  
> I think that the wording you've proposed would substantially improve the
> readability of the document.
>  
> Tom,
> Could you possibly re-phrase as per Carlos suggestion during the AUTH48
> phase?
>  
> Regards,
>                             Sasha
>  
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Carlos Pignataro [mailto:cpignata@cisco.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:47 PM
> *To:* Sasha Vainshtein
> *Cc:* Thomas Nadeau; Raman Rangaswamy; pwe3@ietf.org; Vijayanand C -
> TLS, Chennai.
> *Subject:* Re: [PWE3] Is VCCV LSP Ping to test only MPLS PWs over MPLS PSN ?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On 11/28/2007 4:23 AM, Sasha Vainshtein said the following:
>> Tom, Raman and all,
>> My understanding of the original question was (please correct me if I
>> got something wrong):
>>
>>     /Can LSP ping in VCCV be used to verify the PW connectivity if it
>>     uses, say, MPLS-in-IP or MPLS-in-GRE for transport and the PW
>>     label (bound to the appropriate PW Id or Generalized PW Id FEC)
>>     for PW demultiplexing? And is such a verification required if the
>>     IP connectivity to the remote device is OK?/
>>
>> IMHO the answer is:
>>
>>    *
>>       Such a verification *makes* *sense* (the PW demuxing in the
>>       remote box can go wrong even if the IP transport brings the PW
>>       packets to the correct remote box)
>>    *
>>       LSP Ping in VCCV is the appropriate (and, AFAIK, the only) way
>>       to perform it.
>>
>> Did I miss something?
> I don't think you missed anything. I understood the question (and
> answer) the same way.
> The relevant text is the one that Raman originally quoted, i.e.:
> 
>    The various VCCV CV Types
>    supported are used only when they apply to the context of the PW
>    demultiplexer in use.  For example, the LSP Ping CV Type should only
>    be used when MPLS is utilized as the PSN.
> 
> However, it is unfortunate that the example (intended to clarify) might
> be source of confusion. The key is "/only when they apply to the context
> of the PW demultiplexer in use/", so LSP Ping applies when using MPLS
> Labels as PW Demultiplexer. The wording chosen in the second sentence
> (the example) might not be the best to convey the intended meaning.
> Would it help if the second sentence was reworded from:
> 
>    For example, the LSP Ping CV Type should only
>    be used when MPLS is utilized as the PSN.
> 
> to:
> 
>    For example, the LSP Ping CV Type should only
>    be used when MPLS Labels are utilized as PW Demultiplexer.
> 
> I think that this does not change the intended meaning, but instead it
> narrows and clarifies the wording of the example, and there's still time
> for such wording change.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --Carlos.
> 
>>  
>> Regards,
>>                    Sasha
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Thomas Nadeau [mailto:tnadeau@lucidvision.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:26 PM
>> *To:* Raman Rangaswamy
>> *Cc:* pwe3@ietf.org; Vijayanand C - TLS, Chennai.
>> *Subject:* Re: [PWE3] Is VCCV LSP Ping to test only MPLS PWs over MPLS
>> PSN ?
>>
>>
>>> Hi ,
>>> Can I conclude from the below draft sections that
>>> “LSP Ping should be used to test MPLS PWs over MPLS PSN and
>>> it does not applicable to test MPLS PWs over IP PSN(Say GRE tunnel).”
>>
>> VCCV should always be used to test the PW layer regardless of the PW 
>> type or encapsulation, and the appropriate tools for the lower layer
>> to test those. 
>> So use LSP ping/trace for MPLS LSPs, and ICMP echo for IP/l2tp 
>> tunnels/paths.
>>
>>
>> --Tom
>>
>>
>>> *Draft: draft-ietf-pwe3-vccv-15*
>>> *Section 3 : *The CV types include LSP Ping [RFC4379] for MPLS
>>> PWs, and ICMP Ping [RFC0792] [RFC4443] for both MPLS and L2TPv3 PWs. 
>>>  
>>> *Section 4:* The various VCCV CV types supported are used only when they apply to the
>>> context of the PW demultiplexer in use.  For example, LSP Ping type should only be used 
>>> when MPLS is utilized as the PSN.
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
>>> *Raman R*
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