Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Applications need to disable or selectively reject 0-RTT (#3138)

Martin Thomson <notifications@github.com> Thu, 24 October 2019 02:12 UTC

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martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1159,7 +1159,7 @@ the operations described in this section on a QUIC connection.
 When implementing the client role, applications need to be able to:
 
 - open a connection, which begins the exchange described in {{handshake}};
-- enable 0-RTT; and
+- disable or selectively reject 0-RTT; and

The application (protocol) definitely need to know when 0-RTT is rejected because it has to start over completely for anything that it might have already sent (that's the very next interface requirement).  However, for that to happen, it makes sense for the application to know when it was attempting 0-RTT.

Our API would satisfy this simply by allowing stream creation and writing prior to handshake completion: the application just needs to understand that writing before handshake completion means that you are attempting 0-RTT.  Our TLS stack has a different API, because of backward compatibility: you have to explicitly turn on 0-RTT.  Either approach works fine, except that QUIC doesn't need to concern itself as much with backward compatibility.

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