Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945)

Mike Bishop <notifications@github.com> Fri, 14 August 2020 20:01 UTC

Return-Path: <noreply@github.com>
X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE3B93A0522 for <quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:01:48 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -3.1
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qkw79BNPBNFR for <quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com>; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:01:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57D553A048D for <quic-issues@ietf.org>; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:01:47 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-1b8c660.ash1-iad.github.net [10.56.18.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58141520DC4 for <quic-issues@ietf.org>; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:01:46 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1597435306; bh=dWVJUcAjhKhVOEtY2okM0yyRYelmmz0yy+XBEjNly9E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zeCYIKLIhvI286wZ0XK2GnRXXGJcVwoNAoGI4PGEVPsKemSLU/m++000TlfLoaePx jnAzdV3tMsbJQx2O1435Nm4vHo3F35A74mNssPtRDh7TC4RW4RMwmVN9Bq8sLrNMch tgMajJuHDBhatJSB3SrlBbiG90gx7wlzevSQB6eU=
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:01:46 -0700
From: Mike Bishop <notifications@github.com>
Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts <reply+AFTOJK3DZKYSZJMK5QSRHXN5ILHKVEVBNHHCPFZD6A@reply.github.com>
To: quicwg/base-drafts <base-drafts@noreply.github.com>
Cc: Subscribed <subscribed@noreply.github.com>
Message-ID: <quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3945/review/467843495@github.com>
In-Reply-To: <quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3945@github.com>
References: <quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3945@github.com>
Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Word-smithed version of Ted's resolution to #3842 from the mailing list (#3945)
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5f36edaa48435_34eb1964157126"; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Precedence: list
X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop
X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues
X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed
X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All
X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic-issues/_xfr_8f87QJFKHbJqRUryRBrOWE>
X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG <quic-issues.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/quic-issues>, <mailto:quic-issues-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/quic-issues/>
List-Post: <mailto:quic-issues@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:quic-issues-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/quic-issues>, <mailto:quic-issues-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:01:49 -0000

@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.



>  immediately reset the congestion controller and round-trip time estimator for
 the new path to initial values (see Appendices A.3 and B.3 in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}})
-unless it has knowledge that a previous send rate or round-trip time estimate is
-valid for the new path.  For instance, an endpoint might infer that a change in
-only the client's port number is indicative of a NAT rebinding, meaning that the
-new path is likely to have similar bandwidth and round-trip time. However, this
-determination will be imperfect.  If the determination is incorrect, the
-congestion controller and the RTT estimator are expected to adapt to the new
-path.  Generally, implementations are advised to be cautious when using previous
-values on a new path.
+unless the only change is the other endpoint's port number.  Because

Whether an endpoint passively experiences or deliberately forces a NAT rebind is indistinguishable at the server side.  Changing CID tells you nothing more than that they wanted to reduce their linkability if they got rebound.  A change in CID doesn't imply a path change; a change in endpoint address is the only reliable guide on that.

We're saying that you SHOULD reset unless there's a change that's broader than the port, because a port-only change is very likely to be the same path.  A CID change is even less likely to indicate a path change.  Therefore, it should not be a cause for resetting the congestion controller.

-- 
You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.
Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:
https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3945#discussion_r470839962