Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Which DCID do Handshake retransmissions use? (#3348)

Kazuho Oku <notifications@github.com> Thu, 16 January 2020 13:57 UTC

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@tatsuhiro-t 
> I think QUIC allows more than 1 NCID frames in a single QUIC packet.

The problem is that the client might end up receiving only some of the NCID frames, unless the server always sends (and retransmits) the set of NCID frames as a whole.

But anyways, I agree that (a) is probably fine.

That is because it is trivial to design a server that never requests CID retirement during the handshake. All you need to do is start issuing the new generation of CIDs at least _N_ seconds before sending NCID frames that asks for the retirement of the previous generation, where _N_ is your handshake timeout.

Knowing that this design is why I initially preferred (c), not realizing that it works equally well with (a). But know that I understand that, I prefer (a) as it is simpler.

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