Re: Looking for paper in informative reference of RFC 9001

Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> Thu, 23 November 2023 00:43 UTC

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 11:43:03 +1100
From: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
To: Antoine FRESSANCOURT <antoine.fressancourt=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Sauli Kiviranta <smksauli@gmail.com>, Max Franke <mfranke=40inet.tu-berlin.de@dmarc.ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: Looking for paper in informative reference of RFC 9001
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There is a newer paper that has a better analysis (tighter, more comprehensive) here: https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/993

You can also find other references in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-irtf-cfrg-aead-limits to analyses of ChaCha20-Poly1305 and AES-CCM as well as better formulae for limits.

On Thu, Nov 23, 2023, at 01:55, Antoine FRESSANCOURT wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Thanks to both of you for your answers ! 
>
> Best regards,
>
> Antoine
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: QUIC <quic-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Sauli Kiviranta
> Sent: mercredi 22 novembre 2023 15:49
> To: Max Franke <mfranke=40inet.tu-berlin.de@dmarc.ietf.org>
> Cc: quic@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: Looking for paper in informative reference of RFC 9001
>
> Hi Antoine & Max,
>
> You can also use Internet Archive:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20211215094639/https://www.isg.rhul.ac.uk/~kp/TLS-AEbounds.pdf
>
> Best regards,
> Sauli
>
> On 11/22/23, Max Franke <mfranke=40inet.tu-berlin.de@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> looks like the server that hosted it at rhul is having some issues, 
>> but you can find a htmlised version here:
>> https://scholar.googleusercontent.com/scholar?q=cache:IUmsjyFbOU8J:sch
>> olar.google.com/
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On 22.11.23 10:24, Antoine FRESSANCOURT wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> While trying to answer a question about key lifetime in AES, I looked 
>>> at RFC 9001 (Using TLS to Secure QUIC) and I realized that the first 
>>> informative reference ([AEBounds] Luykx, A. and K. Paterson, "Limits 
>>> on Authenticated Encryption Use in TLS", 28 August 2017,
>>> <https://www.isg.rhul.ac.uk/~kp/TLS-AEbounds.pdf>.) is not accessible 
>>> online (or at least I couldn’t find it even if I tried for 30 minutes).
>>>
>>> Does anybody have a copy of the PDF the RFC refers to ? Would you 
>>> mind sharing it with me ? Do you have an idea how to retrieve this paper ?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>>
>>> Antoine
>>>